1. avatar Chi-Lite
    For their induction into the US Music Hall of Fame.

    [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6444529.stm[/url]

    Not a minute too soon either.

    Plus Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, and brilliantly, the Ronettes.
  2. avatar nonlogic liam
    If only he would have never left we could have avoided the below average albums of the early century. I wish he was back to stay but alas, no.
  3. avatar Baelmammon
    Anyone see Blondie's reunite for the hall of Frame, how uncomfortable was it when ex Blondie guitar player asked to play with Debbie Harry and Chris Stein, Harry replies no my band is onstage already, thought they were going to kill eachother.
  4. avatar Chi-Lite
    Well now, to be fair, I think only their last album was below average.

    The one after Reveal, the name of which I can't even remember.

    Unless they've had another one since then, and I haven't even bothered to know about it.

    But Reveal had a fair few cracker tunes on it, and Up was just brilliant.
  5. avatar Baelmammon
    See I kinda liked REM when they first appeared, liked there first few ablums but in my view REM has a formula and there sound just sounds like 1990's they haven't deviated from that formula imo (too many big bands do this if it was me I would be sick to death playing losing my religion over and over again for years).
  6. avatar Chi-Lite
    But that's obviously bollix though.

    See New Adventures in Hi-Fi, or Up, or even one of those below average albums of the last cuple years. They sound nothing like they did in the early 80s, or even in the early 90s.
  7. avatar kingmob
    Up was patchy but is very underrated. Everything they have done since has been largely piss (I really liked 'All the way to Reno'). It's a shame though - all their albums up to 'New Adventures' were amazing. Even "Monster' :-D
  8. avatar sheriffjohnstone
    [quote:c26c099cb8="Chi-Lite"]But that's obviously bollix though.

    See New Adventures in Hi-Fi, or Up, or even one of those below average albums of the last cuple years. They sound nothing like they did in the early 80s, or even in the early 90s.[/quote:c26c099cb8]

    Plus 1

    You couldn't be more right. Up was great and reveal had some good tunes. Around the Sun is the last album, and its pretty bad. With regards to sounding the same What? Chi is spot on.Up was a complete departure from New Adventures just as Monster was from Automatic.

    They've recently announced that Jacknife Lee is to record the new record.
  9. avatar Chi-Lite
    Reveal as an album was patchy, but had some [i:ab60ff5e03]Unbelievable[/i:ab60ff5e03] tunes

    Beat A Drum, The Chorus and the Ring, Summer Turns to High, Beachball, and yes, All The Way To Reno.

    all brilliant.

    So, in twenty five odd years, they've only had one crap album, their last one.

    Very underrated band, REM.
  10. avatar The Ronster
    'Up' was exactly the point were I lost interest. They were, and still are though, one of the most cherished bands of my teens.

    I often feel if I can guess its a famous band's new single before I've heard the singer - that's it for them and originality. They've found a formula and have stuck to it, at least with their singles anyway, which is the worst kind of musical cowardice.

    See also;
    Chili Peppers (I'm beginning to think they just have a song generator they stick titles into...)
    U2 (delay, anyone?)


    Any other suggestions? A sort of musical [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark]'shark-jumping'[/url] list? Sort of?
  11. avatar Baelmammon
    Right so. Say REM have released a new song and you've never heard it.You hear a song on the wireless and you go hey that sounds like Michael Snipes and it is, its in the voice you can tell its R.E.M hence formula, will its just my opinion and yous have yours no-one is right its all subjectivity really. But I went and saw them last time they were here at the Odyssey (piss poor for gigs) and it was a great show.
  12. avatar The Ronster
    Christ, can you even read?

    [quote:2fe241b5d0] if I can guess its a famous band's new single [i:2fe241b5d0]before I've heard the singer[/i:2fe241b5d0] [/quote:2fe241b5d0]

    Now, calmly slap your hand against your head and say 'D'oh!'.
  13. avatar Chi-Lite
    Just because a singers voice still sounds recognisably like that singer, doesn't mean all the songs are the same.

    Like I say, every song on Up sounds completely different to anything they'd ever done before.

    As did every song on New Adventures.

    As did every song on Monster.

    How could King Of Comedy have possibly went on Automatic for the People? It couldn't.

    And then there's Automatic For the People itself. Probably the most underrated overrated album of all time
  14. avatar Pete
    [quote:9eb95ef017="Chi-Lite"]Just because a singers voice still sounds recognisably like that singer, doesn't mean all the songs are the same.[/quote:9eb95ef017]

    Yes, but read what he said. He's talking about the music, not the vocals.
  15. avatar The Ronster
    Thanks Pete, I was starting to think it was just me.
  16. avatar Chi-Lite
    Oh, I wasn't talking to you.

    But I don't think it's as bad as all that. They might also have a recognisable guitar sound for example, or recognisable backing vocally bits. But that still doesn't mean there's been no change in their tuneage. That is just balls.

    They're no chilli peppers, whose sameness I think's pretty obvious.

    But look, just look at the albums - Up as compared to New Adventures. There's nothing generic about them.
  17. avatar sheriffjohnstone
    [quote:0561d4e6bb="Chi-Lite"]Oh, I wasn't talking to you.

    But I don't think it's as bad as all that. They might also have a recognisable guitar sound for example, or recognisable backing vocally bits. But that still doesn't mean there's been no change in their tuneage. That is just balls.

    They're no chilli peppers, whose sameness I think's pretty obvious.

    But look, just look at the albums - Up as compared to New Adventures. There's nothing generic about them.[/quote:0561d4e6bb]

    Once again Plus 1
  18. avatar Baelmammon
    Hey bud I didn't say R.E.M were like chilli peppers, I like R.E.M just saying they've got a formula like......
  19. avatar whipchorus
    I think it was Peter Buck who once said REM only have 7 different songs. But what songs, say I.

    The problems post-Berry are well documented, personally there has been a big problem production-wise, and despite Jacknife Lee's own production credits hardly inspiring confidence, I think the anyone-but-McCarthy is good news to most fans.

    I simply don't think the songs are there, they seem to labour and labour over albums and obviously the tunes aren't coming to them as swiftly as they once did. It was Bill Berry who always emphasised the concise approach with writing and recording, and they need him more than ever, as Reveal was IMO an album buried in production gloop which helped to mask some below par songs, and Around The Sun was again a similar production job on some slow, ponderous, frankly boring songs. Buck's guitar could hardly be heard, Mills' vocals are inaudible if there at all. The whole thing was like a glossy Michael Stipe solo album.

    I'd love to hear another Reckoning, not a carbon copy, but an album recorded in light speed utilising every member's strengths, with songs concise, tuneful, mysterious, exciting. Something which would be the perfect antidote to the last couple of albums, something would let fans know that they still mean something, that they're still inspired. Unfortunately this might just be beyond them right now.
  20. avatar ryanego
    I think its quite an achievement for the band if you can recognise them before the singer starts. I know what you mean about bands like U2 not deviating from the same sound etc, but a lot bands are instantly recognisable from their playing and are still creative. A good signature sound is probably the biggest selling point a band can hope to have. If you heard the first ten seconds of a new Mars Volta track for example, you could probably tell it was them even though it might be drastically different from what they had done before.
  21. avatar kingmob
    BRING BACK SCOTT LITT!
  22. avatar Beau Sooth
    I agree that the production on Reveal wasn't to my liking but I think it has some great songs on it.

    Up was a brilliant album though in my opinion, very different sounding from what went before it and after.

    It would be good to hear them attempt something fast and jangely again like their 80's output though. You know, back to the disco-beats!
  23. avatar Sparky
    He played with them at a wedding last year also. I think it was their roadie or guitar tech or something and they played together at it. Also heard there was meant to be a re-union, but these things are always rumoured as soon as they even look at each other.

    And they are a great band. Sooooooo much better than the Chillis. But then I've always hated the Chillis and loved REM, so I would be biased.
  24. avatar The Milky Bar Kid
    I've been a fan probably since New Adventures came out. I was 16 or 17 then and I followed them right through until reveal going to see them 3 times live.. The last Album did kinda lose me as it is a little too tame and unadventurous and maybe to a degree I'm not as blown away by it all now. Up was fantastic in my opinion and for me just beginning to discover the band at a time when they were really diversifying made it so much more cool and interesting. I listened to up over and over again. It and New Adventures in Hi Fi will always be up there with my favorites. Prob as much to do with the time and place for me though! Great band though and no one can take away what they achieved in their time.
  25. avatar Dirty Stevie Grizz
    Bill Berry's mono-brow was always the talented one
  26. avatar Alan Unirem
    any artists seen their career improve after the massive $80,000,000 type advances? see also mariah carey, robbie williams, etc. the money can buy you a lot, but true creativity is priceless

    which is just as well for those of us working the local music scene!
  27. avatar dave_dbn
    There was a thought/rumour about a year ago that went along the lines that Berry would return in a studio role, with someone else doing the touring. This would of course have suited everyone - Berry could avoid the touring he hated and the band would have its balance restored.

    Berry was of course the pop fan in the band and though he was credited for some classics (Everybody Hurts, Man on the Moon) his greatest skill was arrangements. I would love to see him back.

    Up is easily one of the great R.E.M. records; although as Buck himself said it is probably 2 songs too long. As a big sad R.E.M. aficionado I really enjoyed most of Around the Sun. Can't beat Green though.
  28. avatar The Milky Bar Kid
    I'd agree about the over production on later records. I feel the songs goet lost with this.. For example I heard the demo of Beat a drum before I heard the Album version and was very excited about it but when I heard the Album version I was a little disappointed. What I like about that song is mills on the piano and its stands out more on the demo.. Its really nice and the vocal is more true and heartfelt I think. Probably harks back more to the automatic days. Not saying they should just keep repeating them but I just prefer when they are more... Natural... I think.. you know what I mean?? Anyhow they gave me some great days and were always my inspiration in music. Nothing good lasts forever!
  29. avatar whipchorus
    They should haul Steve Albini in for the job. Turn up the drums, push Stipe's voice way down so you can't understand a word he's saying (a la Murmur/Reckoning), turn the amps up to 11, and for christ's sake, get those 'synthesizers' out of my sight. Job done.
  30. avatar dave_dbn
    Ha did Geffen not have to get Scott Litt in to fix the mess Albani made of 'In Utero'?
  31. avatar sheriffjohnstone
    [quote:fa142f8478="dave_dbn"]Ha did Geffen not have to get Scott Litt in to fix the mess Albani made of 'In Utero'?[/quote:fa142f8478]

    Albini didn't make a mess of In Utero.Geffen claimed it was too raw and would alienate fans, something Cobain was probably going for.
  32. avatar dave_dbn
    Well I read that in an R.E.M. biography that the vocals on a number of tracks were inaudible (but not in the murmur good way!) and the guitars were very mucky. Although fair point, more likely to have been Cobains idea, not Albani.
  33. avatar nonlogic liam
    All members of R.E.M have said that losing Berry was like losing their quality control as he was apparently the most critical member when it came to what went on the albums. New adventures and Up are great albums, but hardly classics - I still listen two both a couple of times a month. Around the sun was lame in comparison, Reveal did have some good tracks on it but the rest was so poor that the band had to revert to over production and gloss in order to fill in the gaps. Moreover the recent "best off" was a let down as they included too many tracks from their post 2000 material and not enough from their 1990's glory years. Having said that I still think R.E.M have a lot to say and I'm sure when they stop giving pointless interviews and appearing on every magazine cover (the record company commonly advise them to do mass publicity in order to sell albums as the music is not as strong as it used to be, anyone remember why they had to go on the Up tour?).
  34. avatar Chi-Lite
    Ah, they're brilliant but.

    I love Dead Letter Office, who's with me?

    That brilliant cover of Femme Fatale, brilliant. And the drunken theme tune for Walters BarBQ, class.
    Dunuh, deeneedeenee, dunngedeeneedeenee
    "Take some home to the missus,
    they'll give you a bag to put it in...."

    And what about Gardening At Night, which was off the original Chronic Town EP, but handily included in Dead Letter Office.

    "Iseemmnnnnn mnmoney nnnneehnehflooriissseee, humpocketnn dmnehgehaneh huuwall
    seemmhh hmmnhh nhh hhnn ddoor, enenhhhhh justssmm ,nem mm hmm nnhh gehhhwar"

    Class.

    Frankly as far as I'm concerned they can get away with putting out any oul s[b:3c0fffde70][/b:3c0fffde70]hite they want, they're still one of the best bands of the last 25 years.
  35. avatar The Ronster
    Albini's production (or lack thereof) makes [b:096e5f6eb6]In Utero[/b:096e5f6eb6] sound immense.

    I wish he did more production for mainstream bands.