Seriously though, I can understand the reason why voting should be anonymous, and you certainly shouldn't have to tell anyone, but why does it make you squirm? Does it make you squirm when your best friend asks you, or your mother? Or is it just when a stranger asks you?
I mean come on, no ones gonna be intimidating people, or trying to influence your vote, I'm just curious.
I don't see why it should make you squirm. I'm not asking you how clean your trunks are.
So far we're fence-sitting wishy washies round here. :-D
Well, one of us is anyway. :-D
I very much value the right to vote, as a private activity.
There are many places in the world where people are not afforded this privilege, and I think to call people here names for not wishing to divulge who they vote for is an insult to those who haven't got the privileges we have.
Oh, don't get me wrong, you have every right not to tell anyone, and certainly not to tell me, some hallion off the street.
I wouldn't insult people for not telling me, but I don't see why people should insult me for even asking.
(Actually, the bit where I say you have no balls was meant as a joke. I don't think you've no balls if you don't want to tell me)
But surely, because you have a right to keep it private, that's no reason to suggest that you're somehow breaking all sorts of ettiquette by not keeping it private.
In fact, you can even keep your anonymity by not posting here, but simply voting in the poll above.
Think of it as an exit poll. I'm curious. You don't have to tell me. But if you have no problem telling people, please do, I'm curious.
Speaking of the Election, did anyone see The Election Special on BBC1 last night? Gerry Adams didnt do himself any favours, a tad patronising I thought, although the audience did tend to focus their questions in and around the Policing Debate, surely there is more to an election than whether Michelle Gildernew fancies the cops.
That was hilarious from Beardy: "LISTEN, SON!"
Although he could hardly have been more explicit on what people who witness or experience crime should do: "Go to the PSNI." Several times.
"whether Michelle Gildernew fancies the cops"
It is a crunch issue though - she's an MP and MLA and she said she wouldn't report information on a dissident arms dump to the authorities. Those arms are intended for insurrection against the state / government / constitutional settlement her party intends taking power in. There is a fundamental contradiction there which the special Ard Fheis was supposed to conclusively address. GA, to be fair, has not equivocated since the second the vote came through.
[quote:cf3d73f741="Chi-Lite"]Or my lifelong interest in local politics?[quote:cf3d73f741="Chi-Lite"]I'm not voting, I'm not even registered and I don't even know what constituency I'm in[/quote:cf3d73f741][/quote:cf3d73f741] :smt005
Pretty moronic of you to think that those two statements are contradictory.
Consider this, I've always been interested in politics, have been involved over the years in more than one political party, have avidly read a lot of the parties manifestoes, thought long and hard about whether to register to vote, and consciously decided not to, as I was not going to vote.
Still think that's funny, you f[b:1e750f7910][/b:1e750f7910]ucking imbecile.
As for not knowing what constituency I'm in, I've only moved into a new flat a cupla days ago, so give me a chance. :-D
It's probably North Belfast, by the way. :-D I didn't bother to make sure because I already wasn't registered.
I had to luagh at Bob McCartney the other day on the politics show.
He confessed to having policies very similar to the DUP exept that he would not sit in Govnt with SF, then enchouraged everyone to vote UUP as an alternative. Wha?
He said the famous: "SF aren't fit for government".
That galls me. No-one should decide who's fit or unfit for government except the voters. It's the whole basis of democracy.
What if SF became the largest Party in the north? Who's to say they aren't fit for government? The majority of the people want to be governed by them. Same for the DUP. Currently the majority want them in Government? Who can argue?
There are some ridiculous double standards employed by the polititions here like, and i know how obvious it is to say that, but sometimes it bares repeating.
Politicains for years have carried on as if voters dont exist,Sinn fein represent a lot of people and not taking that on board is a bit of a piss take.Saying they wont work with Sinn Fein,what about the thousands of people who vote sittin in the house waiting for something to happen. :roll:
Its all bollixed. the DUP are still scaremongering their crowd by painting images of these wild savage republicans who are just waiting to pounce and take their property and "their" (lol)land. I think its pretty obvious that no matter how many positive moves Sinn Fein make, the DUP will never agree to powersharing. they barely acknowledge the nationalist population as people. so if they are not going to work then they should be removed.
I usaually vote Green or SEA, but I think DUP are fundamentally f!!ked up in the head. N.I will never move forward when they are about. They do not accept any aspect of Irishness in NI. They have an issue anytime a nationalist event takes place. even bloody st. paddys day. anyone remember the scaremongering that went on then? Nigel ringing into radio shows telling all protestants should stay away. bull
I don't think so, TBH. They might lose some, but I don't think they're going to lose seats. No more than one anyway.
BTW Marty, RGhost is out of posts but warns you that not being registered will screw your credit rating! That's me f*cked as well then. Probably for the best, I can't be trusted with credit...
"I think SF will be down this year as there is a Celtic game on tonight."
EDIT: you are not alone!
From The Scotsman:
Sinn Fein lays on taxis between pubs and polls for Celtic fans
SINN Fein is laying on free taxis between pubs and polling stations tonight - so that its supporters can vote and still watch the Celtic-AC Milan match.
The party fears the lure of the crucial second leg of the Champions League tie, being screened live on TV, will affect the turnout of its voters in the Northern Ireland Assembly elections.
So it has recruited the drivers of Belfast's fleet of black taxis, many of whom are former IRA prisoners, to call round to pubs before the 7:45pm kick-off and at half-time to get people to the polls without missing any of the action.
As loyal Sinn Fein members, the drivers will be providing the service for free.
The latest opinion polls put the party on 22 per cent - three points behind the Democratic Unionists. But a source close to Sinn Fein said: "They are genuinely worried that they won't get a good turnout because of the match."
Of course, this is also a very neat way of pre-emptively explaining away any drop in vote due to the policing vote.
[quote:8a2258757a="feline1"]I think anyone who didn't even bother to register to vote should be deported off to North Korea or Zimbabwe or the Vatican City or some other ludicrous ideologue dictatorship...[/quote:8a2258757a]
What about those who have registered, yet choose to watch football rather than walk the 1.5 miles to the Polling Station?
I doubt there'll be much change from last time, as there's been nowt but rhetoric for people to base their voting preferences on.
Once the Assembly is up and running and the politicians are judged on their performance in government rather than their 3-decades-old soundbytes you'll start to see a big change in the political makeup of Norn Iron.
I'm not registered this year as I wasted time trying to decide which address to give the big boys. I would have gone Green though. Nice to see some proposals re local culture and music for a change, rather than all the usual playground bickering.
Oh how I wish Screaming Lord Sutch was with us. Rainbow George isn't a patch on him.
yes the politicians are on youtube (aptly named website there, marvellous) and also on myspace. I'm not sure if any of our lot have shown the application or dedication needed for a blog, but I'm sure it would be easy to find out if you can be bothered.
This is the quietest campaign there has been for a long time imho. I think the two biggest parties have little to gain from shouting the odds now and just want to slip quietly into power, and the UUP dont have the funds for a large campaign (thankfully - I dont think i could stomach another 'fish and chips and mini coopers us'uns are british so we are' effort)
What is fascinating me this year is the growth (see what I did there) in popularity of the SDLP '80s moustache. Alban Maginnis and Joe Boyle to name two are sporting facial ferretry that Boycey from only fools and horses would be proud of.
question is, would you buy a used car from these men?
[quote:768f338b7e="rentaghost"]This is the quietest campaign there has been for a long time imho.[/quote:768f338b7e]
I've noticed this too - are the parties suddenly bricking themselves about their imminent accountability?
I've always suspected the soapboxing down through the years has been so vitriolic and combative because the politicians knew that no-one could test their arguments and they could get away with being as inflammatory as they liked.
Now they may find themselves regretting much of what they once said as the hard reality of being in government looms large, where people like sensible, stable officials keeping the lights on and the busses running rather than firebrand lunatics burning witches at the stake.
Surely, because it's the first *proper* election Norn Iron has had in decades. Parties are campaigning on water charges, education yadda yadda yadda. There's comparably little of the nationalist/unionist Royal Rumble that has blighted previous elections.
I had no idea it was today until Monday. I had intended to vote postally but found out I'd missed the deadline by about six months.
Aside from the usual flamethrowing at the shinners, the DUP haven't had to take the piss out of the UUP because - well there's really no need. All the polls show Reg and his mates arent going to do very well. (They need serious PR surgery).
Sinn Fein are trying to avoid cracks in the republican floorboards and the SDLP are working away on the ground - the fact that Mark Durkan was recently calling round houses in the New Lodge is evidence of this. I think they are also hoping to build on the capital of having the mayorships of derry and belfast this past year. Helen Quigley is seldom out of the news.
They are all wringing their hands about the water reform, but it will be interesting to see what actually happens about that if they actually get round to forming a government (which isn't happening until 26th March).
I think the greens will do pretty well this time round. Personally I hope they knock a few percent off the Alliance vote.
just yer man agnew. i had a chat with another one of their candidates at our conference a few weeks ago and i think he is blogging and youtubing, but i was trying to persuade him that myspace would also be a method he could use. dunno if he did though.
[quote:e0a006b3c6]They do not accept any aspect of Irishness in NI.[/quote:e0a006b3c6]
Good point Don. I feel propaganda has ruined everything here. Where I grew up there was a massive stigma about all things "Irish", but it didn't make sense to me because I was born, and continue to live in Northen Ireland, not Northern Britian, or Northern Scotland.
The DUP thrive on bold stubborness, and have politically fought other mens wars for decades. Not the people I want dominating government when I'm rasing kids.
I'd say the DUP will more or less hold their own as the UUP just seem bate.
SF may lose some votes from a variety of sources: people p*ssed off with the policing decision, people p*ssed off with then general drift of the movement and at the other end of the spectrum people who since the Ard Fheis no longer feel the need to 'lend' their votes as the rubicon has been crossed and they can 'safely' go back to the SDLP. Aside from that the SDLP have had one of their strongest campaigns for years, stupid signs outside the new MI5 base notwithstanding.
But I doubt SF will lose many (if any) seats and will be biggest nationalist party. Don't think they have a chance of going up drastically tho.
So you actually can put that A level to good use by acting like the proper little politician and dodging the question.
Look,my question still stands,why you dont vote.As for my losing vote,truth be told it wont make a difference(yet) because this wee country has a problem with moving on and forgetting the past,but i'm not going to sit on my hands and do nothing.
By all means go and conduct yer embrymoronic research in voting patterns and languish in apathy for the rest of yer life.
(and bate dem tubs a bit softer and you might get as good as your ego tells you)
Can you imagine if all the votes in England, Scotland, Wales and the Kingdom of Cornwall were determined not by Torygraph vs. Labour, but on how much we still hated those bloody Germans?
And any time someone tried to discuss politics, people would be like "Yes but whatabout the Holocaust?!? What about the Poles???? What about The Vichy Government???" and other folk would be "yes but we carpet bombed Dresden!" and "Yes but the reparations against Germany after WWI were ludicrously punitive!" etc etc
The holocaust and Nazism are repeatedly invoked by both sides in NI ('them Provos is leek the Nawzis!', 'this is leek the ASSS ASSSS marchin' through the Warsaw gatto!') - a stunning indictment of our complete lack of perspective and grotesque sense of victimhood.
I always love this observation:
"It has taken more years of negotiating to try and fail to bring devolved government to a population the size of Kent, than it took to agree the treaty of Versailles that ended the Great War."
[quote:e5bdc987d9="RAAP Management"]The holocaust and Nazism are repeatedly invoked by both sides in NI ('them Provos is leek the Nawzis!', 'this is leek the ASSS ASSSS marchin' through the Warsaw gatto!') - a stunning indictment of our complete lack of perspective and grotesque sense of victimhood.[/quote:e5bdc987d9]
it doesnt help when the Guardian joins in with analogies of Israel/Palestine
[quote:c4cc62fa85="Chi-Lite"]In the name of sweet Jesus, someone explain to me why I have no right to be interested in how people are going to vote......[/quote:c4cc62fa85]
If you're patient, you'll be able to find out on Friday exactly how everyone voted, so relax and wait for the results. Otherwise you're just antagonising people by asking them to point out how they voted, it's not like England or America, you can't be either a Socialist/Conservative/Liberal or a Republican/Democrat over here, all that matters over here is taig or prod and quite rightly people on a [i:c4cc62fa85]MUSIC [/i:c4cc62fa85]forum are unwilling to be labelled in that way.
So you actually can put that A level to good use by acting like the proper little politician and dodging the question.[/quote:4d19eb2bd3]
Ryan, read this VERY SLOWLY AND CAREFULLY.
You're demanding that I answer a question which I already have answered, and which you also keep answering yourself.
[quote:4d19eb2bd3]Look,my question still stands,why you dont vote.[/quote:4d19eb2bd3]
[quote:4d19eb2bd3]As for my vote,truth be told it wont make a difference[/quote:4d19eb2bd3]
That's why I wont be voting. Simple as that.
[quote:4d19eb2bd3]but i'm not going to sit on my hands and do nothing.[/quote:4d19eb2bd3]
Why is doing something that makes no difference whatsoever any better than doing nothing, which also makes no difference whatsoever, but also takes far less effort?
[quote:4d19eb2bd3]By all means go and conduct yer embrymoronic research in voting patterns and languish in apathy for the rest of yer life.[/quote:4d19eb2bd3]
The fact that I'm interested in researching voting patterns probably proves that I'm not apathetic. As does the fact that I started this topic, thereby showing an interest. As does the fact that I stick my oar in to every political issue ever discussed on this forum, thereby also showing an interest. As does the fact that I've been marginally involved in politics of different hues for a large part of my adult life.
You may think that making a small ineffectual gesture every few years absolves you from your apathy, but I think it makes you even more apathetic.
But sure here, different strokes for different folks
and so on and so on and shooby dooby doo
ooooh, sha sha
WE GOT TO LIVE TOGETHER
Not meant as a 'slabber', but have you worked out the oul constituency yet?
Is it not hard to be sure it won't make any difference if you're not sure of that?
I live in South Belfast and kind of wish I'd bothered to register so I could have voted for Anna Lo...and Carmel Hanna is excellent on constituency issues while being clearly totally non sectarian. Finally that pro-capitalism chap needs all the votes he can get to keep him out of the belltower.
Yeah well I live in South Down and DUP will win it ..... and again they'll do nothing for the area, or even pay the slightest interest.
if you agree with one or two parties main concepts then you should vote, it may not do anything but then again it may... the reason the large parties are gaining big percentage votes is because apart from appealing to lots of people, which is fair enough, there are people who say "I'm not gonna waste my vote in this election I'll make sure I back a winner" and there are others who say "I'm not gonna vote because there are no parties that could rival the big ones."
but I'm not slandering anyone for their decision to vote or not to vote, I myself was close to not voting but remembered that south park episode where they have to vote between a Turd Sandwich and a Douche Bag....lol...
i used to vote UUP. I actually thought trimble had a few good ideas about devolution in this country. he also seemed to be promoting secularism rather than 'i'm a prod=i vote unionist'.
however, the party seems to have faded to absolutely nothing under reg empey. maybe he's a nice bloke, but maybe a nice bloke is not what's needed.
i can see the DUP's point that they have progressed further with the Shinners (actual decommissioning as opposed to promised etc) but cannot handle the blatant hypocrisy of their stance. I applaud them going into government but the thought of their 'never! never! never!' rhetoric coupled with their religious (funda)mentalist outlook would prevent me from ever voting for them.
I actually read steven agnew's myspace and was impressed by what he had to say about social issues. unfortunately he's not standing in my ward.
Trimble was a good man and did a hell of a lot... I reckon a person who can equal him in 15-20 years when people are less worried about connections between religious background and Unionist or Nationalist parties he or she would be a shoe in.
I am in no way opposed to religion in any forms, in fact they are quite a necessary (in most cases), but there should be a separation between the religious ideals and laws/government...
I can't believe how UTTERLY MORONIC some people are.
"I'm not gonna vote, cos it won't make any difference" -
That just goes to show that you don't have a f*cking clue what "democracy" is.
You seem to be confusing with betting on greyhounds, where you're supposed to guess which one will win and bet on it and you get a prize if you're right.
Democracy is not like that: everyone just gets one vote. Just one! You just cast it and they count it. They count everybody's. Add them all up. To determine what everybody wants.
You're not supposed to guess who will "win", you're supposed to vote for what YOU want. Just you! With your one vote!
Marty, whack yer postcode in [url=http://www.theyworkforyou.com/]here[/url] and it'll tell you what constituency you are in, who your humble servant is, and show a log of every time they've belched in the house of commons on your behalf.
I second feline's dribbling rage - saying there's no point voting in a democracy is so utterly mentalist that I feel a stroke coming on.
If you don't vote because Party X are "bound to win", then don't be surprised when Party X do win! You didn't bother to vote! Duh!
The only way they [i:b7736114cc]won't[/i:b7736114cc] win is if enough people vote for other candidates! That means you!
If you [i:b7736114cc]really[/i:b7736114cc] don't want Party X to win, volunteer as a canvasser for your preferred candidate and help drum up some support. Most of you have experience building support for bands, so it's not a wild leap of the imagination to try doing it for politicians.
Pure and simple. I don't believe in giving anyone a mandate to act on my behalf HOWEVER THEY SEE FIT.
Life isn't as simple as 'my party is right - themmuns is wrong'. I don't agree with [i:d3e44c62fd]all[/i:d3e44c62fd] the policies of [i:d3e44c62fd]any[/i:d3e44c62fd] one party, so why give them my vote?
I look forward to the day when everyone is entitled to vote on all issues, and put forward by a randomly selected, constantly rotating (like jury duty) body.
I can't get behind any other system - especially here where the only real agenda is the nature of this country. It saddens me.
I've only ever voted once, and that was for the Good Friday Agreement. An idea, not a person.
I'm maybe alone in this view though. I just think that party politics as a system is in direct opposition to the supposed goal of benefitting the public.
I thought it wasnt interesting last night when gerry adams was asked would he support public enquiries into the deaths of RUC officers. Gerry said, 'yes' pure and simple. But then he went on say about having enquiries into the deaths of IRA members / Republicans. After that people then started to have a go at him. I dont see why they did. If people want enquiries in deaths of RUC members ( who colluded with loyallists ) then whats wrong with having the same thing done for republicans.
[quote:c4a94205bf]Where I grew up there was a massive stigma about all things "Irish", but it didn't make sense to me because I was born, and continue to live in Northen Ireland, not Northern Britian, or Northern Scotland. [/quote:c4a94205bf]
Indeed. The fact that some people here never venture beyond their own colour coded doorsteps is another thing seriously fucking this place up.
Also, people who can and don't vote are mo-mos pure and simple.
[quote:9647e7baeb="The Ronster"]I look forward to the day when everyone is entitled to vote on all issues, and put forward by a randomly selected, constantly rotating (like jury duty) body.[/quote:9647e7baeb]
I suspect that would just lead to perpetual gridlock and nothing would get done. No-one would be in office long enough to do affect change and the civil service would run the show.
I do think that putting a 1-2-3 on a bit of paper once every five years is a pretty weak implementation of democracy though. There are bound to be other models of more accountable democracy out there - anybody know of any?
I don't vote simply because I refuse to vote for someone just because they're stopping someone else getting in. The reason most shinners vote shinner is not because of policy it's because they don't want the DUP in. Exactly the same for DUP voters simply voting to stop the shinners. Most politicians I have heard from this country, with a few exceptions, are plebs who act like kids arguing over who gave who midget gems two dinner times ago. A waste of f**king time. Until someone I WANT to vote for stands or there is a none of the above category i'm not voting.
Meh, that's a bit of a cop-out. There are dozens of candidates in each constituency. Did you actually go through them all and see what their policies and tracks records were before tarring them with that brush?
The options in my area where all the usual suspects plus 1 conservative 1 green and 1 independent who couldn't even get a place on Larne B Council, oh yeah the options are endless. Not one of them even knocked on my door. So it's not a cop out at all, if the DUP or Sinn Fein put an orang-u-tang up for election in their biggest catchment areas they would still get elected. It's complete balls.
[quote:0f3dfca066="livemusicpics.com"][quote:0f3dfca066="Darragh-NDL"]Yeah well I live in South Down and DUP will win it ..... and again they'll do nothing for the area, or even pay the slightest interest.
Actually South Down is mainly nationalist (and traditionally SDLP) country. There was only one DUP candidate elected last time.
[quote:0f3dfca066]SDLP 15,922 PJ Bradley, M Ritchie
SF 12,007 C Ruane, W Clarke
UUP 8,253 D Nesbitt
DUP 6,789 J Wells [/quote:0f3dfca066][/quote:0f3dfca066]
Sorry I suppose I should have totted up figuires first or at least worded it as, in my town and surrounding towns have a majority of a DUP following/voters.... woops
*EDIT* just realised I'm part of the Upper Bann constituency... and DUP were the main party
[quote:b4934fa6c4="Redfin"]Not one of them even knocked on my door. [/quote:b4934fa6c4]No-one knocked on my door either, yet I still managed to find out who had what policies and select several candidates who propose doing what I want the assembly to do. Sitting around waiting for someone to court your vote is not the way to do it, you do have to put a bit of effort in. It's not as if spending an hour or two googling info on your MLAs once every five years is going to hurt.
I voted for wee Sean Mitchell, so did my auntie, who said [i:93351350ae]"This gorgeous wee fellah came round to the door, and he was lovely and polite, but the shinner was an oul fellah with no teeth who sort of grunted at me, so I voted for the wee lad."[/i:93351350ae]
Sound, first time I've ever heard of anyone voting for the SWP's based on the image of the candidate.
To get it out of the way, no I haven't voted, not because I don't understand democracy, but because I do. As Feline got into a hissy fit about, yes, you pick the person you agree with and use your one vote. Yes. That's the bit I don't agree with.
It's pointless for me to vote because either, a) I'd vote for someone who completely believes in all the things I do, in which case very few other people will vote for them; or b), I vote for someone who may possibly win or alsomost win, but whom I don't completely agree with.
Either way its pointless and I don't want to do it.
I agree with the Ronster, I don't want anyone to REPRESENT me. I don't value representative democracy.
But I am interested. furthermore, i have a RIGHT to be interested, if you take the idea of liberty to include a liberty of thought, which I suspect most people do. In fact, the idea of a right to liberty probably applies more to thought than to anything else, since we don't quite have total liberty when it comes to actions. So this applies mostly to thought and opinion.. Thus I have a [i:d45e631d59]right[/i:d45e631d59] to be interested.
But back to the point, I wonder who's won then. If we ran the world, I reckon it would be the Greens then, maybe we should set up our own wee oligarchy.
Interesting to see that some people on here have voted for nationalist/republican parties, but nobody wants to admit to voting either of the unionist parties.
Unsurprisingly, Anto has voted the slimy wee wab and the daft oul fella. I'd love to see yer man Sean Mitchell actually get in so that then we could look back on his anti-war and anti-water charges policies and say "Now. What are you gonna do about it, you wee walt?" and watch him squirm.
Anybody heard any exit polls or predictions or anything like that? I haven't got to see any news in about two days. No doubt there'll be no major surprises, but you never know. I think it is possible that the stoops might come back fighting a wee bit.
And finally, I'm surprised at peoples attitude to Reg Empey. Someone said that they had previously voted David Trimble, as he had some secular, common sense policies, but I actually think, if that's what you're after, Reg has those qualities far more abundantly than Trimble ever did.
Trimble was always to some extent a red faced union blower, and a slave to the uber unionists in hbis own support base. I've been particularly impressed by Reg Empey's stance through this whole campaign, I've not yet seen him get bogged down in any of the usual issues, the battering of Sinn Fein, the need to proclaim himself as 100% British or anything like that.
All I've heard from him all the way through this campaign is "look, we need to get this done. simple as that. People are sick of it" There's been no equivocation about forming a government with Sinn Fein, no slaberring about keeping the union, jujst a straight ahead "come on we'll get this done".
I'm suprised that there doesn't seem to be any sign of any progress for him. Especially with loads of unionist leaning people who would be more secular and forward thinking. Like our friend here, was it 10rapid? who says he used to vote Trimble. I never could see those good things about Trimble that you mention, but I do see them in Reg.
Here marty did you give up thinking before you type for Lent or what?
It's dead easy, ideally you'd like us all have a big anarcho-syndicalist christian utopia, but we don't and since voting or not won't make that happen any faster or not, then you should vote, cause at least it will drive things incrementally in that direction.
edit (you're getting your man "username" mixed up with "unplugged" ye flamin gullah.)
[quote:7709e35771="tinpot anto"]Here marty did you give up thinking before you type for Lent or what?
It's dead easy, ideally you'd like us all have a big anarcho-syndicalist christian utopia, but we don't and since voting or not won't make that happen any faster or not, then you should vote, cause at least it will drive things incrementally in that direction.[/quote:7709e35771]
How'd you work that out then? Or is it from those hypothetical figures that you made up.
"Since voting or not wont make it happen any faster, you should vote, because it'll make it happen faster"
How will you voting for a 19 year old with a pencil moustache drive things towards an anarcho syndicalist utopia?
Don't be f[b:7709e35771][/b:7709e35771]ucking daft.
And anyway, while that may be what I theoretically want, I also know for a fact that it's never gonna happen. Which is why I'm cynical, and why I no longer take any active role whatsoever in politics.
:-D You're right. Now I look really [i:7709e35771]stupid[/i:7709e35771]
Because I don't want them to [i:44540212e6]represent[/i:44540212e6] me. If you can assume that I do from that quote, Jesus, I don't know.
""Now. What are you gonna do about it, you wee walt?" and watch him squirm."
Why, he'd kick back and rake in the 70-80 odd grand, enjoy the subsidised restaurant (seriously, the food is incredible and incredibly cheap), recline in his beautifully appointed office in one of the finest buildings in the British/These Isles and occasionally make pointles speeches about those issues and no doubt more. Like everyone else is going to. While civil servants run the place and the British Exchequer wearily pays for it for the sake of a quiet life.
[quote:5124d1a109="RAAP Management"]""Now. What are you gonna do about it, you wee walt?" and watch him squirm."
Why, he'd kick back and rake in the 70-80 odd grand, enjoy the subsidised restaurant (seriously, the food is incredible and incredibly cheap), kick back in his beautifully appointed office in one of the finest buildings in the British/These Isles and occasionally make pointles speeches about those issues and no doubt more. Like everyone else is going to. While civil servants and the British Exchequer run the place.[/quote:5124d1a109]
So Anto [i:5124d1a109]wins[/i:5124d1a109] then!
My God, he was right all along! :lol: That vote wasn't a complete and utter waste!
[quote:d5b9b8b26f]Anybody heard any exit polls or predictions or anything like that?[/quote:d5b9b8b26f]
I heard that voter turnout in West Belfast was quite bad from usual SF strongholds i.e. the Murph and the Lower Whack. Something to do with the Murph Fued and the Peelers.
So it looks like the DUP may well keep the seat they won by 90 votes last time out. In fact the chances are they keep that seat by some margin.
I don't think you can take anything for granted in this electoin, especially from the nationalist side? Just how strong is the SDLP (particularly in South Down). What'll happen in Belfast West etc etc?
What about the independants? Will they be the onion in the eye ointment for the shinners? Or was there a huge band of Potential SF voters just waiting on them become a fully constitutional party before voting for them?
In the UK general election the new PM is usually eating his lunch in No. 10 by now. Here we have elected precisely 0 tinpot dictators in the same time! What a place! I know it's more complicated with STV but why don't they just choose them on the basis of a punchup or a general knowledge quiz.
So Fastfude from me saying no-one knocked on my door you have judged that was the reason I didn't vote? I explained why I didn't vote for anyone. To make assumptions that I somehow can't get off my arse to look into whats on offer is pretty snottery on your behalf. I knew of every candidate standing in my area, none of them made me want to vote for them, and I refuse to vote for someone just to keep the taigs/prods out
I suppose it's worth pointing out now that results are in, that there were only a few hundred votes in it for many candidates. Those of you who didn't bother to vote because you thought it wouldn't affect things probably could have madea difference. It's even more likely to happen with proportional representation too. Next time, pull the finger out!
"While he was in prison on a public order charge, he wrote a well-regarded commentary on one of the letters of St Paul.
How many politicians of the last 500 years could that sentence describe - probably only Ian Paisley."[/quote:93dc4ca5b1]
Thomas More - or is that more than 500 years ago now?
Wang Ming-Dao (as one of a long list of Chinese people who could fit this description)
You probably meant in these islands though, didn't you?
EDIT: I am in no way comparing Big Ian with these guys, although he might wish to make that comparison himself.
(There is quite a thin line between politician and preacher sometimes, isnt there? Martin Luther King also springs to mind)