1. avatar gerard
    Sitting here bored in work reading a few threads...God u get alot of people on here moaning about the gallagher brothers, one even said he only sang on 'one' classic album! how many classic albums hav any of us sang on? people who say such crap just sound like a bunch of sour, jealous bastards...but why? is it because they are soo massive?

    It seems its cool amongst certain people to say they dont like oasis

    I bet everyone here wishes they were as popular???


    www.myspace.com/gerardmccartan

    Oasis make music fun and interesting...too many people get caught up and bogged down trying to do this and that, just grab ur guitar and play a good upbeat song...thats what its all about

    id really love to know why people slag off oasis? :)
  2. avatar Iso9
    cos they're annoying and shi.te.

    next!
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  3. avatar gerard
    shit didnt mean to put my myspace in the middle lol eeek
  4. avatar pauldoherty
    i like them,and i know theres a right few on here wont admit it incase it ruins they're street cred :-D
  5. avatar wannywan
    I love 'em, but Liams lost his voice.
  6. avatar ShowYourBones
    I like em. They were the band that got me into music after all, however I'm more interested in other music now so I tend not to waste my energy on discussing whether they deserve criticism or not.

    Edit - They havent done anything of any note since The Masterplan though, I do like Meaning of Soul however.
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  7. avatar feline1
    Oasis are shit, derivative, misogynist c*nts.
  8. avatar unplugged
    nah
    wrong.

    youll find noel gallagher is a songwriting genius

    songs like talk tonight, live forever, the masterplan and half a world away are mind blowing.

    its called envy usually is your answer. no band of that size and success can be "she-ite"

    i mean lets get sensible here.
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  10. avatar Pete
    Envy isn't the answer, human nature and differing tastes are the answer. One man's Krug champagne is another man's fizzy plonk from Lidl. End of story.

    I don't see why people can't just accept that other people like different things.

    I personally think Definitely Maybe is a great album, What's the Story is good and the rest are poor. But I don't expect the person standing next to me in the queue when I next go shopping to agree with me.
  11. avatar unplugged
    correct pete but my point is concentrate on the positive side of a band not call them sh-ite and all that. thats just daft
  12. avatar eucrid eucrow
    [quote:04fea806ac="unplugged"]correct pete but my point is concentrate on the positive side of a band not call them sh-ite and all that. thats just daft[/quote:04fea806ac]

    So why didn't you just say that instead of something completely different, and contradictory?
  13. avatar Gogs
    [quote:dd4ca850d4="gerard"]<img src='http://www.fastfude.org/forums/images/smiles/019.gif' /> didnt mean to put my myspace in the middle lol eeek[/quote:dd4ca850d4]

    this thread is alllllll about the page views..
  14. avatar wannywan
    Eucrid, do you post on the ep forum?
  15. avatar Danny McCormack
    [quote:feb5f07a90="gerard"]Why do people slag off Oasis?[/quote:feb5f07a90]

    Jealousy. Remember that slagging is just based on the opinion of someone who wishes they were able to do and say the same things that Liam and Noel do every day. It just so happens that this envious opinion is outweighed by about 100,000-1 by people who actually like their music, and this shows in their popularity and album sales.
  16. avatar eucrid eucrow
    [quote:baed62ccdd="wannywan"]Eucrid, do you post on the ep forum?[/quote:baed62ccdd]

    Electric Picnic? No, why?
  17. avatar wannywan
    Thought you were someone else, sorry.
  18. avatar ShowYourBones
    You can't put it down to jealousy, surely taste plays a big part. If Oasis aren't to someones fancy you can't label them 'jealous' or 'envious', it just doesn't add up.

    I'd gladly slag off Green Day for example, who are popular and have sold a shedload of albums, doesn't mean Im jealous or envious of their position within modern culture (if they have one), its just that it doesn't float my boat.
  19. avatar I'mDead
    Its not (for me) about envy - how could it be when I like a zillion other 'staduim bands'. Nor is it about coolness, because thats just ridiculous. As Pete said, its about personal taste, and we've had this argument done to death for years now, in that you cant love a band just because they have sold x million albums (see also Fallout Boy).

    I just feel that for too long, Oasis have lived off the coat tails of two brilliant albums and their tabloid infamy, when there are so many more deserving bands around.

    A prime example being the Brits last month - industry types and fans alike went apesh1t watching Liam doing an impression of Alex Higgins in Planet of the Apes.

    Time for Noel to move on?
  20. avatar frajam
    Oasis do not make music that is fun and interesting. That cant be achieved by putting out the same type of material over and over and over again. To make music that is fun and interesting, i would expect a band/artist to change and try somthing different, Blur do it, Robbie williams does it, Queen did it. Oasis are just boring in my opinion.
  21. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:4c36d0f3fd="unplugged"]youll find noel gallagher is a songwriting genius[/quote:4c36d0f3fd]

    The sink is full of fishes
    He's got dirty dishes
    On the brain

    ahh genius
  22. avatar ShowYourBones
    [quote:e7c2bcf33e="I'mDead"]Alex Higgins in Planet of the Apes.[/quote:e7c2bcf33e]
    Was he?
  23. avatar gerard
    yea but i love blur, queen etc but they havent got an importance of being idle or a live forever...i just think they came out with 2 amazing albums that they havent bettered since, but neither has ANYONE else but u dont get people slagging off the kooks saying its no whats the story...
  24. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:3661f0394d="drakeguild"]I am actually really liking Cat Power's cover of ''Wonderwall''.[/quote:3661f0394d]

    That indeed is a really nice version
  25. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:e945021450="gerard"]i just think they came out with 2 amazing albums that they havent bettered since, but neither has ANYONE else[/quote:e945021450]

    Are you really trying to say that Oasis are the only band with two good albums?







    No, really, is that your argument?





    You need to listen to more music

    [EDIT]
    Oh, or are you saying that no-one else has bettered Oasis' two good albums?

    My final recommendation still stands either way
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  26. avatar ShowYourBones
    [quote:834d4a414c="gerard"]u dont get people slagging off the kooks saying its no whats the story...[/quote:834d4a414c]

    Are you Scottish? Im sure there are quite a few people out there who slag off the Kooks, first and foremost for producing fvckin dribble and releasing it to the public in a nicely packaged compact disc case.

    You def need to listen to more music if you think Oasis are the only band to release 2 great albums. A list as long as my arm.
  27. avatar gerard
    no what im saying is no-one in my opinion has released two consecutive albums as good as them in 10 years....i have to write quick cos my boss is about haha for me definately mayb is the second best album of all time behing the beatles Help
  28. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:ec7653860e="gerard"] for me definately mayb is the second best album of all time behing the beatles Help[/quote:ec7653860e]

    Ah, I think I see the problem here...
  29. avatar 3cigarettes
    A lot of people who like to call Oasis out for being derivative seem to turn their ears off to that particular gripe in regards to other bands from here or anywhere else.

    There's nothing wrong with taking influence from bands though in my opinion, certainly not when you take your influence from the Beatles.

    It's when you cross the line into direct rip then people get annoyed. I suppose that line is different for everyone.

    Edit: I like Oasis, but I only ever listen to their older stuff, their new stuff is pretty boring in my opinion.
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  30. avatar Scifo
    It's not complicated. They haven't been very good for four albums and it was clear about 4 years ago that they would never get back to their best, but you still have to listen to them, their blind fans and the media hyping up every next album as being as good as morning glory.

    They still write a few songs that are good to hear on the radio and thankfully Noel will often now admit to their limitations but that's not enough for me to get past Liams sh*te modern/retro haircut and ubercool sunglasses he insists on wearing everywhere. f*ckin indie fashion victim.
  31. avatar sheriffjohnstone
    [quote:82c1bd1c43="gerard"]no what im saying is no-one in my opinion has released two consecutive albums as good as them in 10 years....i have to write quick cos my boss is about haha for me definately mayb is the second best album of all time behing the beatles Help[/quote:82c1bd1c43]

    In your opinion, tada!
  32. avatar gerard
    forgetting my opinions, i just dont understand why they seem to get a lot of abuse for not equalling dm and wtsmg...people dont have the same venom when they dislike smaller bands...like Ocean Colour Scene never equalled North Atlantic Drift in the last album or two but people dont say they are a bunch of this and that lol

    roll on 5pm!!

    come on barca tonight!
  33. avatar sheriffjohnstone
    You're right in one sense.Oasis get more abuse than most,however they also get more praise than most.Why? They're fucking massive.
  34. avatar my-angel-rocks
    I'll happily say Ocean Colour Scene are a really big pile of shit...
    Happy now?

    As has been pointed out before Oasis have spent the last 12 years (Whats the Story came out in 1995) riding on the fact that they made two good albums out of 6. That's 33% success rate, not even a pass at university. Thats why people dislike them. I don't slag off other smaller bands such as OCS because, I actually didn't know they were still around. I had hoped they had been sucked back up Paul Weller's backside, but apparently not. But when people bring them up, I will happily say "They are shit"

    (Here's a helpful hint. Britpop is dead, other musical forms have been found. Some good some bad. It may be an idea to explore them)
  35. avatar ShowYourBones
    [quote:68138886e1="gerard"]no what im saying is no-one in my opinion has released two consecutive albums as good as them in 10 years....[/quote:68138886e1]

    Radiohead have and thats just the tip of the iceberg, its a big fvckin iceberg too.
  36. avatar feline1
    This thread is pathetic,
    it's like a bunch of kids squabbling over whether Scooby Doo is better than Thundercats.
  37. avatar Pete
    Yeah, 'cos it's [i:025bebc6db]obvious [/i:025bebc6db]that Captain Caveman trumps them both!
  38. avatar gerard
    take it easy guys!

    i love all kinds of music, the stones, michael jackson, motown, pop, irish, folk but i just like oasis/weller/ocs etc more God forbid

    it seems that anyone who admits to liking anything considered 'pop' on here, is spoken down to, as if they dont know anything about music!

    madness

    take a chill pill!
  39. avatar ShowYourBones
    [quote:073d6f894c="feline1"]This thread is pathetic,
    it's like a bunch of kids squabbling over whether Scooby Doo is better than Thundercats.[/quote:073d6f894c]

    Why continue it then by posting a message clearly looking for a rise out of someone?
  40. avatar sheriffjohnstone
    [quote:e2e6c8a886="gerard"]

    take a chill pill![/quote:e2e6c8a886]

    You holding big man? :lol:
  41. avatar greensleevesisgod
    the only good thing about scooby doo is that it featured the voice talents of Frank Welker (Megatron)

    And Oasis are crap. But then so are the rolling stones...
  42. avatar I'mDead
    All this from the man who instigated a zillion page topic on the merits of Slow Patrol.



    Whoops, I just mentioned SP!
  43. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:409e95370d="gerard"]it seems that anyone who admits to liking anything considered 'pop' on here, is spoken down to, as if they dont know anything about music![/quote:409e95370d]

    I was rather condescending, sorry.
    I odn't think you can call Oasis, Paul Weller or OCS pop though. In fact, one of your complaints is that everyone slags off Oasis, thereby making them not popular...*shrug*

    I just talk down to anyone who doesn't like the music I like.

    All the kinds of music that you listed...they're all pre-1995.
    You did stop listening to music once What's The Story was released didn't you?
  44. avatar comprachio
    I think that the venom strewn at Oasis is partly to do with their massive following and their arrogance. If you dislike a band your tend to dislike them more if they amass a huge following. I loved Definately Maybe, still do, but they took a nose dive after Morning Glory. The insistence of fans that they're still as good is what makes me sick of oasis as much as the fact that i don't like any of their later stuff. It maybe a silly way to think but its human nature innit.

    As for no bands since producing two consecutively great albums; Radiohead (take your pick), Arcade Fire, Massive attack, Interpol and Air would sit higher in my estimation (along with others that escape me). But its all a question of taste.

    [quote:bd4e6f2d4d]yea but i love blur, [b:bd4e6f2d4d]queen[/b:bd4e6f2d4d] etc but they havent got an importance of being idle or a live forever..[/quote:bd4e6f2d4d]

    WTF? Queen have a 'Bohemian Rhapsody'
  45. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:831764bf07="comprachio"]
    [quote:831764bf07]yea but i love blur, [b:831764bf07]queen[/b:831764bf07] etc but they havent got an importance of being idle or a live forever..[/quote:831764bf07]

    WTF? Queen have a 'Bohemian Rhapsody'[/quote:831764bf07]

    And nicely coincidental for this thread: "Who Wants To Live Forever?"
  46. avatar gerard
    lol no! i absolutley love JET think they are the best band around at the moment...lovede the killers first album, the 2nd disappointed me, lovin loads of stuff, just that when i look at my favs it does tend to be mid 90's lol but i have countless ablums released love kasabians new album and all richard ashcrofts stuff for me the best band going today are JET that second album is fast and exciting!
  47. avatar comprachio
    [quote:1298902b4d]i absolutley love JET think they are the best band around at the moment.[/quote:1298902b4d]

    Sweet suffering jesus on a cross.
  48. avatar thehellfireclub
    That first Oasis album was pure trad indie when it came out (wasn't it produced by the guy from the London Stone Roses whatever they were called) but I thought the sentiment was fresh. Gritty northern kitchen sink whinging with enough humour and pragmatism to make it positive.
    You can't afford to be writing songs like that when you are hugely rich though. You have to start writing about your girlfriend's tw*t or whatever other topics the stones went on to.
  49. avatar ginpromo
    Definately Maybe was great, everything else has been repetitive
  50. avatar Wee Beasty G
    Feel the need to get into this thread. I'm an Oasis fan who has stuck with them right through to Don't Believe the Truth - I am of course painfully aware that Oasis were once hot to touch and Noel couldn't put a foot wrong in his songwriting, basically for the period of DM and WTSMG and B-sides. They were on the verge of becoming the biggest and best band in the world but it just turned out that Noel didn't have it in him - A perusal of the absolutely dire quality of their b-sides from Be Here Now onwards is enough to demonstrate that Noel reached his songwriting peak at an early stage and was subsequently struggling.

    That said, I personally think that the last 2 albums Heathen Chemistry and Don't Believe the Truth has seen an improvement from the previous 2 albums - I personally believe the singles off the last album to be amongst the weakest tracks on it - Turn up the Sun, Meaning of Soul, A Bell will Ring, and Keep the Dream alive are all excellent songs on that album, and just happen to be written by Gem, Andy, and Liam. There's still life in the band yet, for anyone who hasn't given up on them.

    So Oasis were once on the verge of real greatness as a band, but they f*cked it up and do rely on their reputation a bit, but I genuinely feel the last album was encouraging (singles were poor choices), and am still hoping for more from the band in the future.
  51. avatar comprachio
    its their failure to progress and grow as a band that annoys me. Blur's back catalogue (for comparison's sake) shows a band that progressed and matured.
  52. avatar huggy baps
    [quote:f72319fb9b="comprachio"][quote:f72319fb9b]i absolutley love JET think they are the best band around at the moment.[/quote:f72319fb9b]

    Sweet suffering jesus on a cross.[/quote:f72319fb9b]

    :lol:
  53. avatar Stevie Mac
    [quote:67d483e2bf="Barry"]Rob. Top five musical crimes perpetrated by Stevie Wonder in the '80's and '90's. Subquestion - is it in fact unfair to criticize a formerly great artist for his latter-day sins? "Is it better to burn out than to fade away?"[/quote:67d483e2bf]

    Oasis were an important band to me in my formative years and I stuck by them through the slightly dodgy times, but have to say I didn't rush out to buy 'Don't Believe The Truth'

    They've had their good & bad moments like any other band, even the mighty Radiohead
  54. avatar chrisjedijane
    [quote:5d0cc0da1b="comprachio"]its their failure to progress and grow as a band that annoys me..[/quote:5d0cc0da1b]

    +1 on this for me. Noel Gallagher wrote some good songs, but that was well over a decade ago and even the best of those were blatantly ripped-off from other people. Yet still they talk it up like they're the best band in the world, and every time Liam buys a new coat they're on the cover of NME.

    To anyone who thinks "The Importance of Being Idle" was a true return to form, go and listen to "Clean Prophet" by the La's and you'll see where he got the idea from.


    and by idea, i mean the whole song.
  55. avatar die the flu
    I can only listen to so many G and C and D chords being strummed in a row before I want to shoot myself in the face.
  56. avatar davethetimekeeper
    [quote:14135db85a="comprachio"]its their failure to progress and grow as a band that annoys me. Blur's back catalogue (for comparison's sake) shows a band that progressed and matured.[/quote:14135db85a]

    And look what happened to Blur...
  57. avatar huggy baps
    up next snow patrol... :roll:
  58. avatar TheJebs
    My first post!
    The main problem with Oasis, in my book, is that
    although they had a few good tunes they believed their own hype. 'We are the best band in the World' nonsense
    they weren't even the best band in the UK (to rip off John Lennon!)
  59. avatar Penny Nixon
    I wish people would learn how to spell definitely.
  60. avatar civilian1
    Oasis are the band who inspired me to play guitar. like thousands of others, wonderwall was the first song I learned. Although I was too young to appreciate definitely maybe when it came out, I got it when I was 13/14 and it blew me away. Rock and roll star is a perfect opening track. What I loved about Oasis was their music obviously but their attitude. They didnt care what anyone thought, which nowadays everyone does. The reason they inspired so many people was because people coould relate to them, as they had a history of domestic violence, drugs, crime and people thought 'if oasis can do it, so can i'.
    Their first 3 albums are great and the masterplan is amazing. but everything since then has been crap. standing on the shoulder is diabolical, heathen chemistry had some decent songs and dont believe the truth was horrendous. its a pity, but i will still always love the first 3 albums.
  61. avatar 3cigarettes
    [quote:d3465afd25]They didnt care what anyone thought, which nowadays everyone does[/quote:d3465afd25]#

    Yep, and what a refreshing thing that is to see from a band. I hate seeing image driven bands being pushed by every media outlet there is, causing most up and coming bands I ever see to exhibit the same cráppy carebear attitude to image over quality. I prefer my musicians to have balls, sorry! Bah, that's my least favourite element to modern music :(

    I forgot that was one of the reasons I liked Oasis, thanks :)
  62. avatar civilian1
    the kaiser chiefs write an extremely average song called 'everything is average nowadays' and say things in interviews like 'architecture is so average nowadays as are new bands' but they are afraid to say what bands cus it might affect their image. Oasis didnt give a flying f*** who they slagged, and said it as it was.
    the fact is there hasnt been a band like oasis for a long time. What new bands now could you imagine playing 2 nights at Knebworth after releasing their 3rd album? the kooks-naw, razorlight-no chance, arctic monkeys -no way.
  63. avatar Claw_NI
    Yeah they're shite
  64. avatar gerard
    i started this post thinking id get a few replys cant believe how long this post has went on for! Cool

    Cheers everyone for your responses

    Love hearing everyones thoughts :)










    www.myspace.com/gerardmccartan
  65. avatar thefatson
    I think they are really annoying and over rated. Just like most other bands you will hear on the radio.
  66. avatar *Russell*
    aye i would say Oasis are overrated as well. Honestly i only like one of their songs and that was 'little by little.' But I dont think that an Oasis song could rank highly alongside a Bohemian Rhapsody, Imagine, common people, Parklife or wont get fooled again. Thats not to say that Noel gallagher is shite as a songwriter, he isnt, I just think hes alright, but not as good as what most people may make him out to be. But hey thats just my opinion.
  67. avatar pauldoherty
    im sure the argument has been brought up here before,but the reason why Oasis deserve a bit respect is because they changed a lot of todays music back in the day when they released DM and morning glory.I know its cat,but how many bands have you heard say this? to name a few ive heard,Killers,Razorlight,libs,kasabian,arctic monkeys and to be honest it got me into them also.And because of this,i think people will always be into them no matter what they put out,its a nostalga thing also i think?
  68. avatar wannywan
    [quote:1b4fd08925="*Russell*"]aye i would say Oasis are overrated as well. Honestly i only like one of their songs and that was 'little by little.' But I dont think that an Oasis song could rank highly alongside a [b:1b4fd08925]Bohemian Rhapsody, Imagine, common people, Parklife or wont get fooled again.[/b:1b4fd08925] Thats not to say that Noel gallagher is <img src='http://www.fastfude.org/forums/images/smiles/019.gif' /> as a songwriter, he isnt, I just think hes alright, but not as good as what most people may make him out to be. But hey thats just my opinion.[/quote:1b4fd08925]

    The Masterplan, Flashbax and Cloudburst.
  69. avatar thefatson
    And they make me bowl bad when they come on in the superbowl.

    If silence was a jukebox option I would pay for it.
  70. avatar splitscreen
    my first concert ever was oasis down in cork, they rocked bigstyle, they are the main reason why alot of people got into indie music, if it was'nt for them the music scene in britain and Ireland would def be completely different to what it is now!!
  71. avatar feline1
    [quote:fd0021a57d="splitscreen"]my first concert ever was oasis down in cork, they rocked bigstyle, they are the main reason why alot of people got into indie music, if it was'nt for them the music scene in britain and Ireland would def be completely different to what it is now!![/quote:fd0021a57d]

    what, less schit, you mean?
  72. avatar comprachio
    I was at that gig too and that was the day I stopped being an oasis fan. It still stands out for me as one of the biggest dissappointments of my gig goin life.... thank god that I got to see the prodigy support before they started goin down hill.

    It didn't help that I'd just been to a Radiohead concert (circa the bends) about a month before.
  73. avatar Darragh-NDL
    [quote:51a8873748="thefatson"]And they make me bowl bad when they come on in the superbowl.

    If silence was a jukebox option I would pay for it.[/quote:51a8873748]

    Believe me Oasis is quite welcome considering my nearest bowling alley, (last time I went) consisted of a bunch of culchie farmers playing some track that sounds like Northern Irish Worsel's with a dose of the Horn...over and over....'shudders'...
  74. avatar Dirty Stevie Grizz
    what, the glengormley one?
  75. avatar all-is-vanity
    All this mid 90's waffle of self-love albums is tempting me to weed out one of the defining self-hate albums, "The Holy Bible", and itunes it...

    that or say feck all thon she-ite and get out my old grunge records... 8)
  76. avatar exportsimsie
    I dont give a fuck - i like them.
  77. avatar T Entertainment
    Can I pose a more pertinent question: why do people slag off Simsie? I mean, I like it, I'm just interested in hearing your thoughts.

    'Superbowl' Grizz? It's the GLENGORMLEY [b:624a93c0f8]SPORTSBOWL[/b:624a93c0f8]. I didn't spend the best years of my mid teens snorting poppers in there for you to get it wrong! But if I had have done, there'd be trouble.
  78. avatar comprachio
    [quote:18ef763ca4]'Superbowl' Grizz? It's the GLENGORMLEY SPORTSBOWL. I didn't spend the best years of my mid teens snorting poppers in there for you to get it wrong! But if I had have done, there'd be trouble. [/quote:18ef763ca4]

    There's a superbowl, sorry there WAS a superbowl, in Belfast tho... and they did have oasis on the jukebox
  79. avatar thefatson
    Is the super bowl no longer super or is it gone?
    Haven't been in a while but hope its still there, need to beat my top score of 213 and I can only do it with their red balls.
  80. avatar whipchorus
    I spent some of my best years in Glengormley Sportsbowl during the early 90's. I think I still hold the record for biggest birthday the 'bowl has ever seen. I'll have to check with management.

    Belfast 'Super'bowl can't hold a candle to the greatest bowling alley this country has ever seen.
  81. avatar fastfude
    Belfast Superbowl was boarded up and derelict as I went past this morning.
  82. avatar Stevie Mac
    That's a damn shame. I'll always remember my personal best of 192. And they had a bar and Police 24/7! Anyone know why it closed? The spide-infested Sportsbowl and rapidly-heading-that-way Odyssey Bowl don't hold a candle to it.

    with you on the red balls, #10's, the pro choice :)
  83. avatar feline1
    The only good thing about going bowling is being able to type ludicrous names into the score machine, like "ANNE BLOODFACE" and "KEVIN PHILIPS BONG"
  84. avatar tenrabbits
    [quote:7b580b338c="gerard"]id really love to know why people slag off oasis? :)
    [/quote:7b580b338c]

    To pictorially answer your original question:

    [img:7b580b338c]http://www.weblogcartoons.com/cartoons/i-have-nothing-to-say.gif[/img:7b580b338c]

    Horses for courses innit. Personally I'd give oasis a big "meh".
  85. avatar thefatson
    Thats an awful shame with the superbowl.

    I once spent a whole summer bowling everyday and doing fukits in the disabled toilets, that was indeed the life.

    Hopefully they're refitting for the smoking ban and if not I need to find out if I can buy my favorite red ball off them.
  86. avatar I'mDead
    Roy Munsen would be spinning in his tomb!!
  87. avatar sheriffjohnstone
    [quote:cc80088594="I'mDead"]Roy Munsen would be spinning in his tomb!![/quote:cc80088594]

    Munsen's dead ?!!! :shock: