1. avatar JennyHill
    For weeks now we have been treated to the sounds of the teenage boy two doors down practising on his drumkit. It was annoying but bearable. But now he has got a band together, and they seem to practise [i:6fd449515c]all the time[/i:6fd449515c] at weekends and evenings, in the conservatory at the back of their house. It is driving me nuts. These houses are very flimsy, I don't have double glazing, and I can hear every note that they play. The house between here and there is empty, so there is nobody more affected, and I feel like I've got to do something before I go mad.

    What is the most constructive way to go about changing this situation? I don't want to put him in the position of not being able to practise at all, because they're not bad and have been noticeably improving over the last few weeks. But it's not fair on other residents (e.g. me!) to have him practise in a quiet residential area like this. I was thinking of suggesting other places he could go to - is there much on offer out there for this sort of thing?

    Any other suggestions? Right now I'm having to resort to turning up loud music here (and annoying the people on the other side of me), or wearing earphones/earplugs and not being able to hear what's going on in my own house or hear my husband talk to me. It really sucks :(
  2. avatar T Entertainment
    Get Skry to go round and knock them out! :P
    But seriously, I think an appeal to people's better nature usually works in these instances and there's quite a few decent practice places they could work their louder instincts out in...get them to talk to Dave McCullough, his place isn't so far away from your neck of the woods.
    WARNING: this will inevitably involve you driving them to practices.
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  3. avatar TheJaneBradfords
    you don't live on Prince Edward Park do you Jenny!!! I'm having the same bother:(
  4. avatar kickintheteeth
    Back in the day I played with my friends band in our garages on the street (may i add, until 11pm some nights). We honestly didn't think much of it, we thought the neighbours wouldn't have cared. I personally didn't realise how badly we were annoying them, until one neighbour came up to the doorstep in tears. (i'm not suggesting you do that). We never played as a band in the street again, we understood it wasn't the right place for it.

    Just let them know your side of the story, if they're any part decent they should understand. As it's been mentioned already, suggest to them that they'd be much better off hiring a rehearsal studio.

    Alternatively, why don't you come to some sort of agreement with them? such as... you'll do your shopping on Day X and let them play for a couple of hours while you're out.

    If these are bad ideas, just threaten to tell the police :twisted:
  5. avatar Sparky
    Go to the council. They probably wont do anything though if you are the only one that's complained about it and its not late at night. If they do it in the evening or later they can serve them and abatement notice on the spot.
  6. avatar thefatson
    You don't want to piss them off too much, a couple of guys I lived with used to give our neighbours a "heavy metal alarm clock" occasionally in the middle of the night after they complained. If they live with their parents you should be safe from this though.

    Tell them that they really rock and that they should hire a practice space, make something up about how playing in small places ruins their sound or something.
    Or tell them that they suck and only to turn it up when they get good.
  7. avatar infidelityJP
    [quote:67df29ed3a="Sparky"]Go to the council. They probably wont do anything though if you are the only one that's complained about it and its not late at night. If they do it in the evening or later they can serve them and abatement notice on the spot.[/quote:67df29ed3a]

    I've practiced with my band for 2 years in my garage and during the summer we got a letter from the coucil saying a complaint was filed against us for noise pollution. Only one person had complained, and they had sent them forms to note down when we practiced so they could judge whether or not to use decibel readers on us to see if we were guilty. We just moved to practice at the guitarists house.

    I would have preferref if the person had come round to us and said nicely that we were disturbing them and could we either turn it down or find a new practice space. We were, however, only practicing once a week on a Saturday from about 12 til 5ish with breaks in between.
  8. avatar unplugged
    i agree with the original post. residential areas are not the place for fekking band practice. they really arent. anyone who is at this needs to stop being tight and hire a practice hall.
  9. avatar Wd-adam
    My household received a letter from an angry neighbour about 5 years ago, because I occasionally played guitar out in the garage. That was enough to stop it really.

    "Somone in your house is either deaf or just playing their CDs too loud." - I believe that was how they worded the problem.
  10. avatar ratherfunkychemicaljunky
    You could maybe speak to them and agree on times that they could practice at? At least speak to them anyway. I practice in my house and have done for years. I would stop it if asked to but if the first I hear of it is a letter from the council or something, that'll just piss me off.
  11. avatar Pete
    [quote:1277569762="unplugged"]anyone who is at this needs to stop being tight and hire a practice hall.[/quote:1277569762]

    Well they are teenagers, with the expense of instruments, strings and other such things finding that extra £10 or £15 each to practice in a rented room a few times a week can be hard. We've all been there.

    I wouldn't resort to the council until all other reasonable courses of action have been considered.

    Personally, if it was me, and if it was once or twice a week for a couple of hours, at a reasonble time of day I would learn to live with it. The idea suggested above regarding approaching them about a schedule of some form so you can arrange shopping etc around it seems like a good idea.

    Other band members could host practice on occasion too, so it only happens every other week or something.

    That's what we did in my first band, it was in my garage on Saturday afternoons and my mates garage on wednesdays after school. The neighbours knew it was happening, we spoke to them about it and as long as we didn't play past 8pm and for no longer than 2 hours at a time they were happy.
  12. avatar Per
    tell them to get a damn job!
  13. avatar Kingnez
    get double glazing
  14. avatar remaderyan
    You could always point out the benefits of playing quieter... ie no ringing ears for them, that they can actually hear the mistakes etc etc, if you arent against them practicing, then say so they might respect you for it.
  15. avatar JennyHill
    Cheers for the replies. While arranging a practise time to suit me would be one approach, it wouldn't solve the problem for any of the other people living round here, who I'm sure must be annoyed by this too - the music is audible as soon as you hit the entrace to the cul de sac that I live in. I suspect we're all just waiting for somebody else to do something about it... I think I am just going to have to go to the boy (or his parents more likely) and say that I appreciate that they need to practise, but this isn't the best location for it, and maybe they could try this list of X, Y, and Z practice rooms for something more suitable?

    The parents seem like decent people and I'm sure they don't want to think their son is annoying the people around them. Well, I hope they don't anyway!!
  16. avatar unplugged
    i am ont being cheeky but the only way to sort this is to walk over whilst the noise is going on and say to his ma and da to ask the son to turn his racket down. really. dont go down any road like councils and all cos you will rile them up.

    just say you can hear that at the end of the street and tell them you know a good practice hall they could use as ur not the only ones in the street complaining about this.

    there is only that solution really jenny anything else would appear unfair to you and them.

    i stick to my point and i dont give a fekking hoot how broke kids are. their ma and da's have money. if they bought the guitars and amps for them they should expect to pay for somewhere to practice without annoying the neighbours. if there was noise like that in my street id lose it and crack up. residential areas are not the place for a live band. and acoustic in the bedroom yes but not a make shift practice in the garage/house thats just anti social behaviour and if the wrong tempered person lived in that street im sure they would have a toe in the hole very quick already.

    its easy to say about these viable solutions until ur the victim of it
  17. avatar That Man Fanjo
    Dogsh1t through their letter box.










    That's what I do whenever I want to practice.
  18. avatar Kingnez
    how loud can 4 kids be??
    well probably actually quite loud but im sure this isnt really making your life that much of a misery
    if it was me hey theyre happy making music and they could be doing worse there are some areas where said kids would be hanging around the street boozing fighting fornicating and stealing everything thats not nailed down yes they may be a pain in the arse but they are kids they dont have the cognitive power to know they are bothering people their parents should however have the wit to realise the nuisance they are causing !!

    if you ask them to tone it down they probably will for a while but the volume will surely creep back up
    its just a shame the drummer lives in your street ashes always gonna be loud

    if i was you id get his ma to get him a set of these
    http://www.drumwright.co.uk/pages/product_detail.asp?F_ProductID=812
    as she is probably not aware they even exist and get him to use them later in the evenings and on sundays or someting
  19. avatar mcclurg
    learn guitar, break down their door, run in , shred your life away, and walk out to the silence of 4 stunned teenagers.
  20. avatar thecomeons_2
    best thing is probably tell them how bad it is. if they realise they are pissing off the whole cul-de-sac they could make arrangements to do it elsewhere.

    the cops have no powers over it. all they can do is tell them to turn it down on your behalf.

    if you want action, the place to go is the environmental officer of your council. they will be sent a letter telling them that they are being recorded and you will be sent forms to detail the events. i've complained about neighbours noise in the past, and it can actually make the noise worse.
  21. avatar all-is-vanity
    Jenny, what you need to do is put the situation into context for the band and the parents from the house responsible.

    Introduce yourself to the family or parents, tell them the situation in the best way and ask them to come up to your home and experience the effects of the practice going on.

    The best way is to get the parents to come up and a member of the band and listen to it. If they can appreciate how it affects you then they'll soon put a stop to it.

    Also let them know about your music connections and if they need some numbers of music practice spaces, then you'll be more than happy to help.

    Ultimately you don't want to come across as negative, just explain that a residential area is not the correct environment for music practice.
  22. avatar Tele
    SAY YOU'RE THE FBI AND THAT THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED
  23. avatar chris1984_99_99
    The fact alone that you are on here asking on their behalf how to go about getting this situation sorted peacefully and to be advantageous for both parties speaks volumes for yourself!

    Just going to their front door and blattering it demanding it to be turned down wouldnt help. I think u already know that, and I think ur going about it the right way. I would even tell the kids parents of any practice spaces you find, afterall it sounds like they will be the ones doing taxi service. Might as well speak to the boss's.

    Just be honest and tell them you can hear the music several doors down in ur place, its loud, ur having to wear ear plugs and turn up ur own music loud to drown it out, and how its unfair as u are suffering as are other neighbours. Give them a list of practice spaces, and or ask them to turn it down and play in more sociable hours.

    And if all else fails.... get these boys onto them! :)
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  24. avatar ginpromo
    [quote:8ad8bd15b2="JennyHill"]For weeks now we have been treated to the sounds of the teenage boy two doors down practising on his drumkit. It was annoying but bearable. But now he has got a band together, and they seem to practise [i:8ad8bd15b2]all the time[/i:8ad8bd15b2] at weekends and evenings, in the conservatory at the back of their house. It is driving me nuts. These houses are very flimsy, I don't have double glazing, and I can hear every note that they play. The house between here and there is empty, so there is nobody more affected, and I feel like I've got to do something before I go mad.

    What is the most constructive way to go about changing this situation? I don't want to put him in the position of not being able to practise at all, because they're not bad and have been noticeably improving over the last few weeks. But it's not fair on other residents (e.g. me!) to have him practise in a quiet residential area like this. I was thinking of suggesting other places he could go to - is there much on offer out there for this sort of thing?

    Any other suggestions? Right now I'm having to resort to turning up loud music here (and annoying the people on the other side of me), or wearing earphones/earplugs and not being able to hear what's going on in my own house or hear my husband talk to me. It really sucks :([/quote:8ad8bd15b2]

    Big bar of soap and Jeyes Fluid in my experience is enough to frighten any teenager, that should do the trick
  25. avatar JennyHill
    [quote:5acfb155f6="Kingnez"]
    if i was you id get his ma to get him a set of these
    http://www.drumwright.co.uk/pages/product_detail.asp?F_ProductID=812
    as she is probably not aware they even exist and get him to use them later in the evenings and on sundays or someting[/quote:5acfb155f6]

    Ooooh, that is a great idea. I didn't know they existed either, but I'll definitely be spreading the word!

    I've put together a list of a few practise spaces and I'll add that URL as well. At least I'm doing something constructive rather than just telling them to shut it. As I said, the practice is obviously paying off because they are improving, and I think they should keep going, just not at full volume in the quiet suburbs of Sydenham :)
  26. avatar Orzo
    Jenny - you should have sent Keith and I over on Sunday - I could have set him up for some elbow-dropping action on the guy!

    I don't suppose you would mind if he came round to your door and asked if you minded him playing, for example, 3 nights a week, 7-8pm, so you would know exactly when he's starting and finishing.
  27. avatar rentaghost
    [quote:896c787378="JennyHill"]Cheers for the replies. While arranging a practise time to suit me would be one approach, it wouldn't solve the problem for any of the other people living round here, who I'm sure must be annoyed by this too - the music is audible as soon as you hit the entrance to the cul de sac that I live in. I suspect we're all just waiting for somebody else to do something about it... I think I am just going to have to go to the boy (or his parents more likely) and say that I appreciate that they need to practise, but this isn't the best location for it, and maybe they could try this list of X, Y, and Z practice rooms for something more suitable?

    The parents seem like decent people and I'm sure they don't want to think their son is annoying the people around them. Well, I hope they don't anyway!![/quote:896c787378]

    They probably dont realise they are causing a problem. I would put money on no-one having approached them about it.

    The approach you noted above is a good one, but there is always the potential for the parents to refuse to co-operate, in which case the council can help mediate in the situation, with court action being a last resort.

    You should always contact the noisy people about it before contacting the council though. They'll probably be mortified.
  28. avatar tingtatingtingtingtating
    The solution is a simple one. Lend them money, like a hundred quid. They're kids. They won't be able to pay it back. Then return every day a week after you lent them the money. Force your way in the door and shout, "I WANT MY MONEY!! GIMMIE MY MONEY!! GIMMIE MY MONEY!! GIMMIE MY MONEY YOU PEICE'A SH[i:e2c20129d3][/i:e2c20129d3]IT" (Goodfellas style.) Whilst punching the stud wall with your fist - make sure it's the stud wall - you don't want to hurt yourself. The stud wall will break and all and it'll make it look like you mean business. They won't be able to pay up - so take the instruments as payment. Then tell them, "I'll be back next week for my STINKIN' MONEY!!" They'll probably move house.
  29. avatar wannywan
    [quote:317805a6ce="tingtatingtingtingtating"]The solution is a simple one. Lend them money, like a hundred quid. They're kids. They won't be able to pay it back. Then return every day a week after you lent them the money. Force your way in the door and shout, "I WANT MY MONEY!! GIMMIE MY MONEY!! GIMMIE MY MONEY!! GIMMIE MY MONEY YOU PEICE'A SH[i:317805a6ce][/i:317805a6ce]IT" (Goodfellas style.) Whilst punching the stud wall with your fist - make sure it's the stud wall - you don't want to hurt yourself. The stud wall will break and all and it'll make it look like you mean business. They won't be able to pay up - so take the instruments as payment. Then tell them, "I'll be back next week for my STINKIN' MONEY!!" They'll probably move house.[/quote:317805a6ce]

    That would be so funny to see.
  30. avatar tingtatingtingtingtating
    Oh and another thing : This wee pissy old lady across the street from me once complained to the council about noise pollution. I was only young so I took massive offense and used to throw eggs, oranges etc at her house. I even did the old Eddie Murphy, "Stick a banana in the tailpipe" thing to her car.

    My advice to you - is to stay anonymous. She made the mistake of banging on my garage door one day - so I knew it was her that complained. What ever you do - don't approach them personally - just write a letter to the council noise pollution people - and they'll send them out a letter warning them. Thats what happened to me. Then a guy comes out to their house in secret, measuring the amount of noise they make to see if its acceptable or not. The letter will scare them off to only practicing for half an hour a day in the house - or hiring a practice place.

    Stay anonymous if you don't want to be terrorised.
  31. avatar tinpot anto
    Just go over and say you'd love to watch them practice, that would probably shut them up right and quick :-)

    Or perhaps you could offer to take a few shots off them in return for them SHUTTING THE F*CK UP!
  32. avatar dirty stevie smitty
    Contact your local paramilitaries, or better still shop on the parents to social services with your concerns that you believe that there is some sort of devil worshipping child abuse scandal just like the the one in the Orkneys about 10 years ago.
  33. avatar tenrabbits
    [quote:e35fece228="tingtatingtingtingtating"]My advice to you - is to stay anonymous. She made the mistake of banging on my garage door one day - so I knew it was her that complained. [/quote:e35fece228]

    To be honest.. all this proves is that you're a wa[b:e35fece228][/b:e35fece228]nker who makes life for old ladies hell. You say you were young, in which case yer ma is a wan[b:e35fece228][/b:e35fece228]ker too for bringin you up to have so little respect.
  34. avatar tingtatingtingtingtating
    But the old lady was a wa[i:8c92330706][/i:8c92330706]nker first. And you're a wa[i:8c92330706][/i:8c92330706]nker for callin me a wa[i:8c92330706][/i:8c92330706]nker. You're all wa[i:8c92330706][/i:8c92330706]nkers!


    Edit: And also, I'm only giving advice to someone so that they can [i:8c92330706]avoid[/i:8c92330706] wa[i:8c92330706][/i:8c92330706]nkers like me - SO BEAT IT KID!!!!!!!
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  35. avatar T Entertainment
    I love the way we can end up fighting about [i:c6996bb898]anything[/i:c6996bb898]
    :D (obviously I'm one of the worst offenders before someone starts fighting with me)
  36. avatar tenrabbits
    [quote:ce9e0c1fc1="T Entertainment"]I love the way we can end up fighting about [i:ce9e0c1fc1]anything[/i:ce9e0c1fc1]
    :D (obviously I'm one of the worst offenders before someone starts fighting with me)[/quote:ce9e0c1fc1]

    Don't be a wan[b:ce9e0c1fc1][/b:ce9e0c1fc1]ker chris.
  37. avatar T Entertainment
    No can do, I'm afraid. Simply impossible.
  38. avatar tenrabbits
    [quote:7070e3a355="T Entertainment"]No can do, I'm afraid. Simply impossible.[/quote:7070e3a355]

    :lol:

    ..and surely they can avoid you pretty easily by not hanging round street corners at night tinky poo?
  39. avatar tingtatingtingtingtating
    [quote:34d6987ba4="tenrabbits"][quote:34d6987ba4="T Entertainment"]No can do, I'm afraid. Simply impossible.[/quote:34d6987ba4]

    :lol:

    ..and surely they can avoid you pretty easily by not hanging round street corners at night tinky poo?[/quote:34d6987ba4]

    Eh.. I think [i:34d6987ba4]you're[/i:34d6987ba4] the scumbag here mate. You're the one the just goes around calling random people you don't know wa[i:34d6987ba4][/i:34d6987ba4]nkers. That's a scumbag-street-corner-loitering characteristic if I do say so myself. Did your ma drag you up did she? Did your ma tell you that it's polite to call people wa[i:34d6987ba4][/i:34d6987ba4]nkers - as long as you're hiding behind your computer screen? You know what? Your MA is a bigger WA[i:34d6987ba4][/i:34d6987ba4]NKER than mine. haha.

    Yeah - I'm a wa[i:34d6987ba4][/i:34d6987ba4]nker for throwing fruit at an old ladies house - but so what - I was just saying she'd better stay anonymous or else these kids might do the same.
  40. avatar tenrabbits
    Gee.. what a wa[b:a5b3e6345f][/b:a5b3e6345f]nker.
  41. avatar tingtatingtingtingtating
    Piss off.
  42. avatar Dirty Stevie Grizz
    [img:3224e6995c]http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southeast/halloffame/showbiz/images/paul_whitehouse_smashie200.jpg[/img:3224e6995c]

    CALL ME "W*NKER!"



    those pads are ok but its the cymbals that are the most piercing/ hardest to muffle in my experience.

    uni-lateral discussions are the only way forward in this process. You might even end up managing them. :-D
  43. avatar T Entertainment
    Yes - take them to the top of the New Zealand scene! :P
  44. avatar Pete
    Ok, I think you've gotten all the info and suggestions you need Jenny. I'm closing this now whilst it remains remotely relevant.
  45. avatar Eamonn Evangelists
    Sorry Pete.

    Perhaps they could soundproof the room with carpets on the walls? Look it up on the net, there should be a idiot proof guide somewhere. That along with the pads may make life bearable once again.
  46. avatar Pete
    Just to open this up again, carpeting walls will do nothing to attenuate the noise being leaked to the outside world, neither will egg boxes or heavy curtains. They'll all just make it sound worse inside.

    Soundproofing a room to properly isolate a live rock band is an expensive and technically difficult job to do. They'd be better spending money on an existing rehearsal space where noise isn't an issue.

    If anyone does want some info the subject a good resource is the forum on John Sayers website :

    http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/

    It gets quite techical but some of the quick guides and FAQs will give you a flavour of what is involved.

    I'll leave this open if anyone has any relevant info or questions, but keep it on topic.
  47. avatar reub the rocker
    What a fuckin witch, go and boil your whining fuckin head!
  48. avatar Pete
    Ok, reopening this thread was a valuable learning experience then :roll: