Just out of boredom and maybe someone has done this before, but here is a list of bands I remember from my youth who had their 15 minutes in Ireland but did very little elsewhere, feel free to expand this and say where they are now, I know where some are.
1. That Petrol Emotion
2. Light a Big Fire
3. Ghost of an American Airman
4. In Tua Nua
6. Fat Lady Sings
7. Mama's Boys
8. The Golden Hoarde
10. Energy Orchard
11. Engine Alley
12. Whipping Boy
13. The Stunning
14. Something Happens
15. An Emotional Fish
16. My Bloody Valentine
[quote:f23da229ce="ginpromo"]16. My Bloody Valentine[/quote:f23da229ce]
Yeah I heard that My Bloody Valentine are working on new material. Seems harsh to say that they had only 15 mins of fame in Ireland, they've inspired quite a few bands from Ireland, UK and beyond. Kevin Shields also collaborated with Primal Scream.
:lol: Currently residing in the "Where are they now" file....
Oi JTM - check out http://www.myspace.com/payolarock - we have a brand new tune..."77 Miles"....up there, with another couple on the way in the next week. We'll have a new E.P out soon (will be gigging again from April), and we released our debut album "Try Everything Twice" at the end of '05 on UK rock label Tomcat Records.
Funnily enough, Joe Brush's new band Su Casa supported us recently...good tunes as always.
As for the utterly bereft man's Keith Moon somewhere above.... :lol:
Blasts from the past altho I never liked Watercress and there smudge stick ways. Anyone remember a band used to play in penny farthings called Cheese Junkies (they were great female vocal amazing voice)?
See no-one cared about Lightface when he was Reindeer Section altho they were a hit with the indie kids while in Scotland Lightface became big, no-one forseen his crimes against music and he will be punished in the afterlife.
[quote:3ad68f71ea="thecomeons_2"]no idea what's up with the rest of that petrol emotion, but the undertones have reformed haven't they?[/quote:3ad68f71ea]
Yeah without Sharkey, but wouldn't call them also rans
For the sake of a bit of craic, what about local bands who have been going for ages, and who, for a wee while looked like they are going somewhere, but now, 3 or 4 years later, are still getting nowhere.
You know the type, those bands who sign to an indie label, play some reasonable support gigs in London or something, and look like they're well on their way, but that was 4 years ago, and now they're still doing exactly the same thing, and playing the same sized gigs.
And are thus "Also rans", as much as all these others.
There's loads of bands like that from round this whack of the woods. I could name a few straight off, anybody else?
I'm not talking about bands who have been going for a few years and have been gradually building up to playing bigger and better gigs, and getting better all the time.
I'm thinking more of those bands who started maybe 6 years ago, built themselves up and played better and better gigs, maybe got a few good support slots with top bands, but never quite made the "breakthrough", and now 4 or 5 years years later, are still playing the same kind of gigs, which, although really good gigs, are not actually getting them anywhere, and by this stage it's probably too late.
I think the Answer for example, have a danger of this happening, although I'm sure it's not too late yet. But think of the cracker gigs and media coverage that the Answer are getting....now imagine if, say in another two years they were still playing the same very good gigs, but their album had done absolutely nothing, and they had never quite "made it".
I would call that an also ran. Not the Answer, I'm sure they've another while yet to give it a go....but sooner or later, if you're not getting anywhere and progressing, you realise you're not going to.
There's a few bands like that knocking about these parts.
So what is the "breakthrough"? Should all bands be aiming for superstardom, where anything short of that is failure? Is there no other valid ambition or career path available as a musician? Is the purpose of a band to create music or create celebrity?
They don't have to want a "breakthrough"
There isn't a set time limit for their "breakthrough", beginning from their first ever gig.
I'm not sure there's a single definition for what would constitute a "breakthrough".
I'm talking about bands who for a while there looked like they were going to go on to big things, tv appearances, platinum selling albums, sold out tours.....
And then, 4 years later, they still haven't. They're still playing the reasonably good gigs that made us all think they were heading for the big time. But they're still playing them, and so, obviously, haven't.
They don't have to want stardom, they don't have to be trying for it, it doesn't have to be the only reason for them to start playing music.
Ha, no, just thought it would be more interesting to name also rans who are our contemporaries.
There have been a fair amount of them over the last lot of years. You know, those bands that we all thought were gonna be the next big thing to come outta here, and now we all wonder where they are.
Until we find out about some gig they're playing and think to ourselves, "houl on, I thought they would have been headlining gigs like that themselves by now, yet they're still playing support....they've probably missed their chance now, considering we've all forgot about them"
Know those kind of bands? Maybe people just don't want to talk about it round here.
I still don't quite get your point there Marty. So you're talking about artists that [i:e98d583d2b]you[/i:e98d583d2b] thought would achieve X Y Z and have disappointed you by only achieving X? How do you know they were aiming for what you were expecting? Seem unfair to label them as failures if they were never explicitly holding themselves to your standards.
Perhaps a band had no particular desire themselves to sell millions of records and play sell out tours.
Chances are I had no particular expectations about them, being a cynical bastard.
I'm just talking about those local bands around whom there was a bit of hype, and whom many people (local radio djs, music columnists) expected to go on to do many great things.
But they never did.
Lets see....Watercress would've probably been one such band back in the day. the Answer I'd say might be on the verge of it; in a years time or so I'd say they may have missed their chance (Possibly not, I'm just using it as a [i:36a99078e2]possible[/i:36a99078e2] hypothetical example)
Not saying this is gonna happen, but imagine if, for example, oppenheimer, with all the high expectations that people have for them, were still in four years time playing medium sized support gigs in local venues.
that's the kind of thing that I mean.
But it doesn't really matter now.
This is just a dastardly ploy to get me to use up all my daily posts, isn't it?
c&p from an accidental new topic:
[quote:27773f8e88="dodgi stereo"]I've read the posts and I think I understand what you're getting at.
But why are you holding back from naming some examples? Are the bands in the original list ones you'd suggest or are there others?
If the band/artist is happy with their progress (or lack of) why would anyone (except a fanatic) care otherwise?
I think the term 'also-ran' suggests failure. I don't think all bands/artists who don't have mainstream success feel like they are missing out or failing.
I haven't got a record deal, but I enjoy the work I do, and that's enough. I don't feel any pressure to do anything with my music other than meet my own expectations and perform the best I can when I have an opportunity to do so.
But then again, I don't work solely in traditional rock - where the weight of rockist tradition can be all too limiting.[/quote:27773f8e88]
c&p from an accidental new topic:
[quote:5648596ea3="Chi-Lite"]Here, I was just adding a more local contemporary twist to a thread about also rans.
None of these things bother me. I've never done anything remotely successful in any band I've ever been in, and I've always been happy playing gigs in wee small smokey bars.
I was just adding on to the thread about Irish bands who had maybe one hit, but never quite made it beyond that. i was wondering about those local bands that loads of us have probably played gigs with, and who looked like they were going to go on and do all those things that I've suggested, but never quite did it.
I'm not making a value judgment or anything, just adding a wee twist to that original post. :-D
I haven't named any names yet because yous all seem to think I'm desperate to name and shame some band. I'm not. I can think of a few bands, but I'm not thinking of any in particular.
Alright f[b:5648596ea3][/b:5648596ea3]uck sake, leave me alone. I was just saying. :-D
As for this thread, I don't think you can judge about whether a band is succesful or not. People have different ideas about what they would like to do.
To be honest, success for me would be playing decent gigs in wee bars more than three times a week, and maybe getting a few quid to supplement my meagre wages. I've no particular desire to, for example, sell a million records.
Although I would also quite like to go on Jools Holland at some point.[/quote:5648596ea3]
[quote:15e8e6b220="Chi-Lite"]Lets see....Watercress would've probably been one such band back in the day. the Answer I'd say might be on the verge of it; in a years time or so I'd say they may have missed their chance (Possibly not, I'm just using it as a [i:15e8e6b220]possible[/i:15e8e6b220] hypothetical example)
Not saying this is gonna happen, but imagine if, for example, oppenheimer, with all the high expectations that people have for them, were still in four years time playing medium sized support gigs in local venues.[/quote:15e8e6b220]
See, imho each of those bands has achieved a substantial amount far beyond medium sized support gigs in local venues. All 3 have played the biggest music industry events in the world (SXSW, Midem, etc), produced high-quality albums to critical acclaim, successfully toured far beyond these shores and made connections with some of music's most prolific artists and icons. They are light years away from being also-rans, Shirley?
And it is true that everybody has different aims. Some people want to sell billions of albums and become a mainstream successful band, where others just want to do their own thing and play to small audiences of afficianados.
See all those things you mentioned above, I mean they're sort of inbetween. I think that producing high quiality albums to critical accalim, playing bib music industry events and far reaching and successful tours etc, are all steps towards mainstream success. I'd imagine, if playing a high profile music industry event, most people would hope that it would be a step towards more mainstream success.
What I'm saying is, having done all those things, most people wouldn't want to stop there, and would hope that these lead towards playing on Jools Holland, getting into the album charts, having a mainstream label push your tunes like fuck.
But then, if you don't, and you pretty much stop there, I think you could be called an also ran.
If, for example, after playing some of the biggest music industry events, and receiving critical acclaim for your album, you didn't end up getting on to Jools Holland, you'd be a bit disappointed.
Unless that was never your goal anyway, you were never particularly interested in high profile industry events, and when you were asked to play such events you only thought "MAD! sure that'll be a bit of craic, although it'll not get us anywhere and we don't want it to"
But I don't think many people really think like that.
Playing high profile music industry gigs is tantamount to admitting that your goal is a high profile in the music industry.
And although playing such events, and setting off on worldwide tours, is a step to such a high profile, it isn't quite there yet. And you may never quite get there.
and back to the point...
after ghost of an american airman, dodge (the singer) formed a band called thompson featuring me, ryan and shaun (now a proper pop star). we played three gigs (one of which in cbgbs) and recorded an ep (never released) before it all ended. he lives in the same town in the north of england as the ex bass player from olympic lifts.
dan from watercress, as i'm sure alot of you know, now lives in new york and makes a good enough living out of playing music. when he plays as a band he goes under the name sonovagun. he asked me to play guitar for them last summer at a festival in england. it was a fantastic, bizarre weekend. sonovagun have a myspace.
[quote:08b788f458="fastfude"]So what is the "breakthrough"? Should all bands be aiming for superstardom, where anything short of that is failure? Is there no other valid ambition or career path available as a musician? Is the purpose of a band to create music or create celebrity?[/quote:08b788f458]
I think when I started the thread I was saying what bands didn't achieve outside Ireland what they achieved here and as a result stalled, 4 of us are an example maybe of one of the few bands who although their success is mainly limited to Ireland they are still working and have built their career at home.
[quote:ce80a8e467="Ciaran"]Didn't one of the guys from Watercress play in Drat, are they still going?[/quote:ce80a8e467]
Well, initially 3 and then two of Watercress. They moved to Leeds and seemed to be doing alright and then disappeared off the face of the planet within the last couple of years. I went to see them in London a couple of years ago and they were absolutely awesome. They were finishing off a new album and then I haven't heard anything about them since and their website never gets updated.
nation of spies were in fact called nation's spies and went on to become the embers who, despite a distinct lack of application managed to play some 'industry' gigs in london and garner little bits of label interest. the band split in 2005 probably due to starting to take things a bit too seriously. so now i just do [url]http://www.myspace.com/exmagicianmusic[/url] and play in some of the aforementioned bands. and i think it's all just a matter of satisfying yourself ;-)
It all started with a band called 'Fusion' featuring:
John Murphy (Went on to be singer/bassist in Peppermoth)
Joe Mullan (Went on to 'Bulge' and 'Fling')
Gerry (Dont know his surname, great sogwriter, think he might be a doctor now?)
Michael Brannagh (Went on to 'Chi' then 'DeGrassi' with Roddy Bottum off of Idlewild, and now 'Little Doses'.
Since 1992, I would hazard a guess that Andrew Griswold has drummed in some shape or form for various 2-bit bands, along with me and a host of other low-lifes.
Slight American Accent
The Bloodsucking Freaks
I will always remember the "Live at the Belfast Empire" CD sleeve, the bloke wot wrote it did a great take on all the movement with the bands involved... Such and such needs a drummer and that other band just split up...
Dig it out if you have it, very amusing, the guy should've went on to work at the UN...
I still mourn the loss of the Skinflints and make no secret of it, also, it might have been The Holsteins or Duffymoon on the Empire CD but the track called Mother Superior should have been number one...
I have an old issue of proto-AU 'DV8' from 1992 kicking around somewhere. It has brief reviews of about 30 bands including the likes of the Holstiens, Peppermoth, Alumni Feedback, Poultice and an unsigned Ash. must dig it out for yez.
P.S Does anyone remember Big Bag of Sticks? They were a Galway band (I think) who played raggae tinged trad music and played the Front Page a load of times. Brilliant band, I still have their CD and even went to the trouble of running it through T-Racks to make it a bit clearer.
I dunno if you're making that up or not, but it's ringing a distant bell in my scone alright!
Speaking of canine bands, whatever became of Dog Eat Fish?
I remember when - just after they got the much coveted Fugazi support slot in the Art College - a bold boy* phoned them claiming to be 'Mike Chalice from Chrysalis Records' and set up a meeting in the Europa. Which the bold boy knew they tried to attend as he was watching from across Great Victoria Street at the appointed time, hosing himself. :D
Not making it up T, I remember their name because my brother was playing piano on same competition, circa 1992 if I remember, Spontaneous Dog were kinda like Marrillion/Genesis early stuff as I recall.
i have an old video of "beyond the line" with mike edgar somewhere from about 1995 or 1996. joyrider are on it playing "all gone away" and there's a live performance from another band called the bedhangers. it always stuck in my head as an awful and yet memorable name.
I'm not trawling back through seven pages, but does anyone remember Peace Frog? God, I hated those twats. The lead singer was a Jim Morrison/Marc Bolan clone and they thought they were the big men because they had supported David Bowie in the King's Hall. Singer-boy took a flyer off me for some godawful Alumni Feedback/Confusion gig, after I'd watched his band play to 30 bolloxed students one afternoon in Jordanstown Uni. He read the flyer, smirked a knowing smirk, as if to say, "Dear boy, do not trouble me with your trifles", crumpled it up, threw it to the ground and walked off.
Another 'big men in big boots' incident occurred at the Mandela Hall, when the old drummer from Joyrider - the fat, hairy one - took a flyer off me, looked me up and down, shook his head, ripped it up and walked off roaring with laughter.
I also remember the hilarious time Ash ("No world beater but roll on the next one" - Johnny Hero, 1992) supported Blink in the Limelight (yes, the same Dublin Blink who forced Blink 182 to add the '182'). Their lead singer finished their set by throwing his plectrum into the crowd, which landed with a miserable, soul-crushing ping on the dancefloor, and was soon trampled into the dirt by various dickheads dancing to Pop Will Eat Itself.
Then there was the Nirvana gig in the King's Hall, after which the floor was carpeted with 5,000 flyers for the next Alumni Feedback Penny Farthing dribble-fest. T Ents and I spent a drunken hour and a half stumbling up and down the Lisburn Road searching for the aftershow party, before retiring to our respective parents' houses.
[quote:d04565fc27]Another 'big men in big boots' incident occurred at the Mandela Hall, when the old drummer from Joyrider - the fat, hairy one - took a flyer off me, looked me up and down, shook his head, ripped it up and walked off roaring with laughter.[/quote:d04565fc27]
be Honest now, how you ever not met with this response?
[quote:0f94dd1223]Another 'big men in big boots' incident occurred at the Mandela Hall, when the old drummer from Joyrider - the fat, hairy one - took a flyer off me, looked me up and down, shook his head, ripped it up and walked off roaring with laughter. [/quote:0f94dd1223]
[quote:2a059593ab="flackmeister"]I will always remember the "Live at the Belfast Empire" CD sleeve, the bloke wot wrote it did a great take on all the movement with the bands involved... Such and such needs a drummer and that other band just split up...
Dig it out if you have it, very amusing, the guy should've went on to work at the UN...
I still mourn the loss of the Skinflints and make no secret of it, also, it might have been The Holsteins or Duffymoon on the Empire CD but the track called Mother Superior should have been number one...[/quote:2a059593ab]
Aye that was the legendary Colin Harper - Bert Jansch biographer and official Pentangle antagonist.
It was Duffymoon who did Mother Superior and yes it should have been number one.....I wrote it and played guitar on it ;-) Happy days..........
I think T Ents described us as the worst local band he'd ever seen.
[quote:3623e20bad]You mean the one they threw out en route to a deal?
I remember hearing a sad tale about the day Buc had to return the new drumkit the band had just bought with record company money. Something along the lines of their manager banging on his front door demanding the new drumsticks back as well?
To be fair, I remember Buck as being a decent oul spud.
He was always very generous with his pipe-containing-only-the-finest-legal-tabaccos when AF played with Joyrider, which was a lot.
He clearly just correctly spotted Griswold as a b*stard and acted accordingly.
Peace Frog were a LUDICROUS band. Please, please, please could someone put 'She Got The Love' from the M8 tape online somehow?
[quote:b79f1ba65b="The enfant terrible"]What about Consume? Ballymena's answer to Downset.[/quote:b79f1ba65b]
Good question. First "proper" gig I had was supporting them when I was 15. Paul Clegg was a hell of a frontman that night. Last I heard they had some big deal in LA but that was about 12 years ago. Don't know how true that is.
As for Watercress, Dan is now Sonovagun, based in NY as far as I know. Played Glasto for the last 2 years and doing alright for himself:
And playing in Lavery's next week.
i dont really want to go back through 8 pages either, but as far as i have heard watercress split years ago. which sucks as i got into them about a year or so after the split (or so my friends tell me)
whatever happened to torino? from my vague memory i think i liked them....
From what I remember, U2 were doin quite well.
Their hard brash pseudo-punk statement on the album 'Boy' woulda made yi think that Ireland were gonna give birth to another 'Tin Lizzy', but they just kinda fizzled out after that awkward second album.
Shame really - Paul 'Bono Vox' Hewson always struck me as our answer to TV's 'Sting', only more dwarfy.
Perhaps if the band'd been more deliberate in walking their musical path, and concentrated on producing music which would appeal to the popular masses, they would be fucking millionaires by now!
Same goes for Snow Patrol - saw them in the Mandela years ago, and thought, fuckin hell if they make the right moves, they'll have a bright future to enjoy.
Only if either of those bands ever did do well, they'd just be slated and panned stupid on sites like this I suppose. Probably just as well they were just runners-up in the big Irish Rock Race - I mean, they didn't get the life they dreamed of, but at least they kept their cred with all us criticals!