1. avatar livemusicpics.com
    I'm sure most heard about the petition against proposed tax on travel that attracted almost 2 million signatures (whether it will make any difference is another story altogether).

    Anyway, there's currently a petition on the #10 site regarding ticket touts and a ban on the reselling of concert tickets - particularly relevant when only this morning Oxegen sold out in just over an hour and the tickets are already going for massively inflated prices on ebay.

    So here's the link to the petition - do sign up:
    [url]http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/tickettouts/[/url]

    [url]http://www.myspace.com/stopthetouts[/url]

    (PS - i have nothing to do with this - just passing on the info)
  2. avatar Smallsquare
    Devil's advocate. Tickets touts are annoying, but all they're doing is speculating on the price of something to go up. Its no more sinister than buying Christmas decorations in summer then selling them for more in winter.
    There is all the gubbins about true fans being deprived of tickets etc but surely if someone was a 'true fan' they would have their sh1t sufficiently together to buy tickets on the day of release. Touts don’t have any secret market advantage over someone will a credit card and calendar and a pen to mark said calendar with ‘Arcade Fire tickets released today!’
  3. avatar Smallsquare
    And before this thread really kicks off I'll take it to its obvious ridiculous conclusion: if you're against ticket touts you are a Communist and are personally responsible for the deaths of millions.
  4. avatar Pete
    [quote:b4206379b4="Smallsquare"]surely if someone was a 'true fan' they would have their sh1t sufficiently together to buy tickets on the day of release.[/quote:b4206379b4]

    Have you tried doing that for a popular band recently?

    Tickets are often selling out in minutes and even if you phone or log on the minute they go live it appears to be pot luck if you get through. Even people queueing up overnight outside a ticket office these days are often left disappointed after the first proportion of the queue buy up more than they need to have extra to sell.

    This happened to me with the recent Pearl Jam gig and despite being well organised and eagre I was left with the choice of not going or pay £200 for a £30 ticket on ebay. So I missed out.
  5. avatar Eamonn Evangelists
    The touts bought up so many tickets last year that they couldn't get rid of them. They were selling below face value on ebay the week before the festival.


    ps. Irish/UK festivals are cack. You gotta go to Europe!
  6. avatar ryanego
    A worthy cause, I know I'll cry if Rage actually do tour and I miss it cuz some property developer has all the tickets.
  7. avatar DuncanDisorderly
    its taken all the craic out of gig going - its too stressful nowadays! if you dont get a ticket on the morning of release your screwed and even then its pot luck. i can see all tickets ending up like the glastonbury ones with photo id on them as the situation is cleary out of hand.
  8. avatar livemusicpics.com
    something needs to be done but i can't see that working with smaller gigs - the costs just wouldn't justify it.
  9. avatar DuncanDisorderly
    yeah its a lose lose situation really - you can tell the world has gone mad when people are willing to pay a few grand to see the arcade fire - i wouldnt pay that to see the resurrection of jimi hendrix and keith moon whilst syd barratt rode around on stage on a tricyle
  10. avatar Firebobbie Mark
    would also be a bit cack if you genuinely couldn't go 'cos you broke your leg or sthg and you can't sell the ticket on.....leek
  11. avatar Kingnez
    they should have some sort of 'fan club system'
    where members get first shout
  12. avatar Wd-adam
    [quote:5603a1d738="Kingnez"]they should have some sort of 'fan club system'
    where members get first shout[/quote:5603a1d738]

    Thrice do that for the odd tour.
  13. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:5608c89ee5="Smallsquare"]Touts don’t have any secret market advantage over someone will a credit card and calendar and a pen to mark said calendar with ‘Arcade Fire tickets released today!’[/quote:5608c89ee5]

    Well, they often do have advantages: numbers of people they employ flooding the system, often in cahoots with ticket sellers so they get preference.

    My friend, who had camped out all night and was 5th in line at the box office for a Radiohead ticket didnt get one because the touts had flooded the system and bought all the tickets in 30seconds.
  14. avatar the*optimist
    Regards festivals and touts they often buy too many so you should just keep an eye out for tickets the day before the festival. Last year I got two camping tickets for Oxegen and a Parking Permit for £70 on the Friday night at about six o'clock and we drove down at about 8 and got into oxegen at ten o'clock. however that was the best bit of the festival for me probably. Its a bit swings and roundabouts though, you can use touts to your adavantage.

    With gigs over here I don't think its too bad, you can usually stand outside a gig and get offered a pair of tickets if the it has sold out.
  15. avatar Gavin McKay Fan
    This couldn't have happened if Al Gore hadn't invented the internet. I blame him.
  16. avatar the*optimist
    [quote:70ae2c2fc5="the*optimist"]Regards festivals and touts they often buy too many so you should just keep an eye out for tickets the day before the festival. Last year I got two camping tickets for Oxegen and a Parking Permit for £70 on the Friday night at about six o'clock and we drove down at about 8 and got into oxegen at ten o'clock. however that was the best bit of the festival for me probably. Its a bit swings and roundabouts though, you can use touts to your adavantage.

    With gigs over here I don't think its too bad, you can usually stand outside a gig and get offered a pair of tickets if it has sold out.[/quote:70ae2c2fc5]
  17. avatar livemusicpics.com
    Have things gone totally mad? I think so.
    Ticketmaster are now facilitating the auction of tickets for sold out gigs on their own site!
    Check out these links:
    [url]http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/thepolice?tm_link=tm_home_f3[/url]
    [url]http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/auction/12003E65B74C15DB/1/[/url]
    just in case they didn't make enough money selling them first time around!
  18. avatar Eamonn Evangelists
    A tad fishy, no?
  19. avatar fastfude
    [quote:f43414d8f6="livemusicpics.com"]Ticketmaster are now facilitating the auction of tickets for sold out gigs on their own site![/quote:f43414d8f6]
    Good grief. I suppose that's market economics for you - why sell 'em at moderately expensive rates when you can get people to pay potentially unlimited sums for them. Smart move, but pure evil.
  20. avatar livemusicpics.com
    would you not expect more artists to take a pearl jam style stand against them if they continued with this?
  21. avatar Deevolution
    [quote:8af401b964]they should have some sort of 'fan club system'
    where members get first shout[/quote:8af401b964]
    works to a point, iron maiden have this for instance - BUT then you get some of the fanclub members buying up tickets to sell them on ebay too - apparently loads of south american fans had bought tickets for the european tour to sell on ebay and stuff like that...

    [quote:8af401b964]Ticketmaster are now facilitating the auction of tickets for sold out gigs on their own site! [/quote:8af401b964]

    :shock: a tad fishy indeed.
  22. avatar Pete
    [quote:5d321cebb0="livemusicpics.com"]would you not expect more artists to take a pearl jam style stand against them if they continued with this?[/quote:5d321cebb0]

    Fat lat of good it did Pearl Jam in the end, they were left hanging on a limb when the US state department unexplicably dropped their investigation. The non-ticketmaster tour they tried to arrange was a complete disaster because ticketbastards have such a monopoly on venues and promoters.

    BUT with t'internet being around today surely distribution of tickets should be easier to arrange on an independent level?

    The fact they are now auctioning themselves is basically giving the finger to ordinary music fans as far as I can see.
  23. avatar livemusicpics.com
    well with the internet you'd imagine bands would be able o do the tickets themselves if they really wanted to. also surely there would be a market for a 'professional' competitor if enough bands took a stand.
    i suppose it could end up with the same old issues of ticketmaster and their links with venues.
  24. avatar fastfude
    The PM's office have responded to the petition on ticket touts, which got 2,279 signatures:

    http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page11992.asp

    [quote:430ad2135a]Government has been working with representatives from the sports and entertainment sectors to address the concerns and problems in the ticketing markets. Ticket touting is a concern where tickets are being resold for increased prices, increasingly via the internet on a secondary market. Government is firmly on the side of genuine fans against touts.

    The focus has been on finding market-led solutions but regulatory options have not been ruled out. Some positive changes have been delivered as a result of this process including ticket exchange/returns mechanisms for fans to dispose of unwanted tickets and fair terms and conditions are being developed by the Society of Ticket Agents and Retailers (STAR).

    At present, the Government is not proposing new regulation or restrictions of a secondary market in tickets in general - indeed consumers want this kind of market. But Government remains concerned that ongoing ticket touting concerns could undermine particular events and consumer confidence. Therefore, it is looking at how cultural and sporting events of national significance - crown jewel events - can be protected from touting activities.[/quote:430ad2135a]
  25. avatar churchwarden
    [quote:ddaa9c372c]well with the internet you'd imagine bands would be able o do the tickets themselves if they really wanted to. also surely there would be a market for a 'professional' competitor if enough bands took a stand.
    i suppose it could end up with the same old issues of ticketmaster and their links with venues. [/quote:ddaa9c372c]

    Quite a few of the arts venues in Northern Ireland have non ticketmaster systems - put in as part of the Arts Council / Audiences NI project to improve ticketing / audience information across the arts.

    [quote:ddaa9c372c]they should have some sort of 'fan club system'
    where members get first shout[/quote:ddaa9c372c]

    Duke Special posts on his MySpace bulletins about small gigs and advance tickets for larger shows, such as the week of themed shows at the Empire in August
  26. avatar Smallsquare
    The obviously solution is to get into weirder music, so the gigs you go to will never sell out.