1. avatar King Canute
    No song should be longer than 3 minutes....
    Discuss.
  2. avatar pauldoherty
    who says? why not? 3 minute songs are 3 minute songs because of the radio.
  3. avatar King Canute
    if you can't do what you got to do in a song in 3 minutes then what you got to do ain't worth doing.
  4. avatar SITH_creations
    [quote:f5a381074a="King Canute"]if you can't do what you got to do in a song in 3 minutes then what you got to do ain't worth doing.[/quote:f5a381074a]


    get in your time machine and tell that to every composer prior to 1900.

    :-D
  5. avatar Ctrl Alt Deceit
    [quote:dabd789624="King Canute"]if you can't do what you got to do in a song in 3 minutes then what you got to do ain't worth doing.[/quote:dabd789624]

    :roll:
  6. avatar huggy baps
    fool
  7. avatar Smallsquare
    No, no. 3 minutes was because the earliest mass produced media used on the earliest phonograph cylinders could only on record around 3/4 minutes. Musicians being the fame hungry comprimisers that they are subsequently made their songs shorter to fit them. The storage medium grew larger but the standard, like the qwerty keyboard, inexplicable stuck. Whole genrations passed and people made songs 3/4 minutes because thats what they always did, and to be fair verse/chorus/verse/chorus gets very boring after a few minutes. And your average crack smoking feral youth has a limited attention span. Then The Orb released "A Huge Ever-Growing Pulsating Brain That Rules From The Centre of The Ultraworld".
  8. avatar guttenberg
    I agree. What's with the solos at the end of "Purple Rain" and "Freebird"? Totally ruined those tracks. :wink:
  9. avatar theonset
    It would be terrible if all songs were three minutes long. One song that is fresh in my mind and which would severely suffer if it was tree minutes long is Blood on the Motorway by that c*unt DJ Shadow. Also can you imagine a three minute version of Windowlickr? Or

    Unless you're a scummy punk band and don't want to not p1ss off the audience with your outrageously sh!te songs then I can see a window for it.


    Exception to this rule is BE YOUR OWN PET who are exceptionally good and get everything into just under three minutes per track. The lead singer is also hot. *cue retaliation that I am a chauvinistic pig who only likes a band on the basis of their front lady totty (which is, of course, true)*
  10. avatar guttenberg
    [quote:318a68e651]The lead singer is also hot[/quote:318a68e651]

    I suppose you'd like to "give her one" or "stick it in her" as well?

    Chauvinist.
  11. avatar King Canute
    [quote:a2aeb29c29="Smallsquare"]No, no. 3 minutes was because the earliest mass produced media used on the earliest phonograph cylinders could only on record around 3/4 minutes. Musicians being the fame hungry comprimisers that they are subsequently made their songs shorter to fit them. [/quote:a2aeb29c29]

    therefore i would say a happy coincidence as 3 minute songs are the best
  12. avatar theonset
    Why yes I would, do you have a contact/ phone number?

    Look, I'm just a harmless, morbidly obese guy behind a computer, who possesses amorous thoughts of a pretty lady lead singer of a band I genuinely think are supoib. Chill oot.

    Please bring this back on topic before I end up a blubbering wreck whilst regurgitating the five half digested rice crispie cakes I've just quaffed.

    So, I think three minute-ers suit BYOP (Bring your own p!ss). Next time I'll keep my sexy thoughts to masel.
  13. avatar palrub
    Canute, you're lost.
  14. avatar fastfude
    Canute, why are 3 minutes songs best? Why not 2 minutes, or 3:30?
  15. avatar King Canute
    Can't really give a reason why but most of my favourite songs are 3 minutes or less long. Must be the immediacy or something that appeals to me but I do find songs 3 minutes or less long to be more exciting than longer songs
  16. avatar fastfude
    To me defining a song by its length is a little odd.
    Certainly it's something to consider at the production/recording stage for practical reasons, but is it one of the initial criteria you consider when sitting down to write one?
    It seems like an abstract limitation rather than something that'd come from the creative process.
  17. avatar die the flu
    I personally only like songs which are 4 minutes 56 seconds long.

    I don't know why this is, I guess I just have better taste than everyone else.

    Songs which are shorter than that obviously have no effort put into them, songs which are any longer obviously are trying too hard.

    Besides, did I mention I have better taste than everyone else?
  18. avatar Smallsquare
    No. A coincidence is an event that may seem arranged but although it was really accidental, there is an element of randomness e.g winning the lottery the day you get made redundant, going to another floor of a building to meet someone then meeting them in the lift. Western artists purposefully modified their songs to fit the medium. This is why there are no 3 minute operas and Icelandic rimur can go for hours. By making formulaic 3 min songs you're consciously participating in 'the system' set up by 'the man' and perpetuating the military industrial illusion of democracy you profess to abhor.
    You disgust me.
  19. avatar thesilvertonguedone
    [quote]if you can't do what you got to do in a song in 3 minutes then what you got to do ain't worth doing.

    So by saying that, does that mean Led Zeppelins...Physical Graffiti wasn't worth recording, just asking?
  20. avatar Smallsquare
    Anything less than 8 mins is bourgeois (his has been proved by Science, comrades).
  21. avatar King Canute
    [quote="thesilvertonguedone"][quote:9402fc035d]if you can't do what you got to do in a song in 3 minutes then what you got to do ain't worth doing.

    So by saying that, does that mean Led Zeppelins...Physical Graffiti wasn't worth recording, just asking?[/quote:9402fc035d]
    everything Led Zepplin did wasn't worth recording IMHO and that
  22. avatar die the flu
    [i:792f16bf92]King Canute yesterday:[/i:792f16bf92]

    [img:792f16bf92]http://3rddimension.online.fr/gfx/patient_in_straitjacket.jpg[/img:792f16bf92]
  23. avatar huggy baps
    [quote="King Canute"][quote:a0051f5c18="thesilvertonguedone"][quote:a0051f5c18]if you can't do what you got to do in a song in 3 minutes then what you got to do ain't worth doing.

    So by saying that, does that mean Led Zeppelins...Physical Graffiti wasn't worth recording, just asking?[/quote:a0051f5c18]
    everything Led Zepplin did wasn't worth recording IMHO and that[/quote:a0051f5c18]

    ah, you must be deliberately trying to stir up an argument here?
  24. avatar King Canute
    nope, the guy asked my opinion on Led Zep and I gave it. I don't like really long songs, that doesn't make me a trouble starter
  25. avatar spanielwoof
    No song should be longer than 20 seconds.....
  26. avatar thesilvertonguedone
    oh i thinks it does, :-D by saying that if a song is more than 3 mins, makes it bad, or crap IYO, i think is the most foolish thing i've read in long time, if any artist needs longer to express what they are feeling in a song, well that makes for interesting listening
  27. avatar fastfude
    Of the 4868 tracks currently in my MP3 library, 3637 (almost 75%!) are 3:01 or longer. Kinda explains why I don't listen to the radio much then.
  28. avatar thesilvertonguedone
    well said Roger :-D
  29. avatar feline1
    [quote:a1299ef883="King Canute"]Can't really give a reason why but most of my favourite songs are 3 minutes or less long. Must be the immediacy or something that appeals to me but I do find songs 3 minutes or less long to be more exciting than longer songs[/quote:a1299ef883]

    Perhaps it is because you are a shallow, stupid human being with a limited attention span, poor memory, weak self-discipline, and furthermore you don't actually LIKE music very much? :-D
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  30. avatar King Canute
    ouch!
    hit me where it hurts why don't you!
  31. avatar palrub
    Hitchhiker: If you're not happy with the first 7 minutes, we're gonna send you the extra minute free. You see? That's it. That's our motto. That's where we're comin' from. That's from "A" to "B".

    Ted: That's right. That's - that's good. That's good. Unless, of course, somebody comes up with 6-Minute Abs. Then you're in trouble, huh?

    [Hitchhiker convulses]

    Hitchhiker: No! No, no, not 6! I said 7. Nobody's comin' up with 6. Who works out in 6 minutes? You won't even get your heart goin, not even a mouse on a wheel.

    Ted: That - good point.

    Hitchhiker: 7's the key number here. Think about it. 7-Elevens. 7 doors. 7, man, that's the number. 7 chipmunks twirlin' on a branch, eatin' lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch. You know that old children's tale from the sea. It's like you're dreamin' about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

    Ted: Why?

    Hitchhiker: 'Cause you're fuckin' fired!
  32. avatar feline1
    [quote:00a20c6356="King Canute"]ouch!
    hit me where it hurts why don't you![/quote:00a20c6356]

    Why not try "CANUT-ILITY AND THE COASTLINERS",
    a simply delightful song by Genesis from their "landmark" 1972 album
    "FOXXTROTT".

    I incorporates huge slabs of bass pedals, the mellotron mark II strings,
    a pleasing tumbling rickkkkenbackkker bass guitar "moment",
    and Peter Gabriel yelping emotionally about getting his feet wet.

    Unfortunately I believe it is nigh on 5 minutes long... :roll:
  33. avatar Daveitferris
    [quote:2ca004ed52="feline1"]

    Unfortunately I believe it is nigh on 5 minutes long... :roll:[/quote:2ca004ed52]

    Then that shizz is out the window, dawg!
  34. avatar tinpot anto
    Sometimes 3 minutes is 3 minutes too long.
  35. avatar greensleevesisgod
    What about Karn evil 9 by ELP? It's roughly 29 minutes long, That's a perfect time.

    I have a solution for you. Besides to stop listening to the darkness...

    I figure you were always one of those kids who cut mars bars into seperate chunks before eating (it gave you a migraine eating it normally)

    So why don't you listen to long songs for 3 minutes then take a wee nap then listen to the rest of it and maybe one day you'll be brave enough to venture out into the real world where we have cds and stuff which are 80 mins long.
  36. avatar Speed Demon
    [quote:55ea11ad03="fastfude"]Of the 4868 tracks currently in my MP3 library, 3637 (almost 75%!) are 3:01 or longer. Kinda explains why I don't listen to the radio much then.[/quote:55ea11ad03]

    Geek envy: I knew there had to be a quick way I could get the equivalent numbers for my collection. 4861 tracks, 3813 at 3:01 or longer.

    (I'm off to download another seven songs from somewhere. No, eight!)
  37. avatar Stevie Mac
    [quote:b4d9a24b0b="Smallsquare"]No, no. 3 minutes was because the earliest mass produced media used on the earliest phonograph cylinders could only on record around 3/4 minutes. Musicians being the fame hungry comprimisers that they are subsequently made their songs shorter to fit them. The storage medium grew larger but the standard, like the qwerty keyboard, inexplicable stuck. Whole genrations passed and people made songs 3/4 minutes because thats what they always did, and to be fair verse/chorus/verse/chorus gets very boring after a few minutes. And your average crack smoking feral youth has a limited attention span. Then The Orb released "A Huge Ever-Growing Pulsating Brain That Rules From The Centre of The Ultraworld".[/quote:b4d9a24b0b]

    the man speaks the truth.
  38. avatar fastfude
    [quote:318a731b9a="Speed Demon"]Geek envy: I knew there had to be a quick way I could get the equivalent numbers for my collection. 4861 tracks, 3813 at 3:01 or longer.

    (I'm off to download another seven songs from somewhere. No, eight!)[/quote:318a731b9a]
    Heh :)
    iTunes smart playlists FTW!
  39. avatar Bruce Forsythe
    It depends on the song. If the song is structured well I enjoy longer songs, but if it's a verse/chorus/verse/chorus/break/build-up/chorus then it should last three minutes.
  40. avatar Micksimus
    [b:739b0559ef]No song should be longer than 3 minutes[/b:739b0559ef] I get it, its a sexual thing. You like to begin at the start and finish at the end.
  41. avatar the dirty weed
    [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/3735922.stm]29 hours[/url]
  42. avatar The Ronster
    In the interests of science, of the 17242 items in my iTunes library, 10516 items are longer than 180 seconds.

    That is a whopping 60.99%. Guess that makes me a foo'. Bearing in mind there are a couple of hundred podcasts in there, I'm still clearly an idiot for liking tracks of such ridiculous length.
  43. avatar comprachio
    intial thread: one of the most stupid statements i've read on fastfude regarding music. Most tunes I write are around 3-3.30 but that doesn't mean I descriminate what I would listen to based on duration.

    Can't for the life of me imagine a Bohemian Rhapsody having the same effect while clocking under three minutes. Likewise paranoid android, space oddity, hey jude.... I could go on.

    A good song should be as long as it needs to be. They shouldn't feel a second too long or too short.
  44. avatar Daveitferris
    [quote:754c491eda="comprachio"]
    A good song should be as long as it needs to be. They shouldn't feel a second too long or too short.[/quote:754c491eda]

    Perfect.
  45. avatar Micksimus
    I agree, could not have put it better.
  46. avatar Ctrl Alt Deceit
    [img:ebaf42dc97]http://2-tone.info/tnsa/3minute_dutch_front_th.jpg[/img:ebaf42dc97]
    Three minute hero, I wanna be...
  47. avatar gl2200
    [quote:64bfd89614="the dirty weed"][url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/3735922.stm]29 hours[/url][/quote:64bfd89614]

    [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/05/arts/music/05cage.html?ex=1304481600&en=a6bf192116d7ef9a&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss]639 years.[/url]
  48. avatar chrisjedijane
    [quote:21baf8a305]he organ's bellows began their whoosh on Sept. 5, 2001, on what would have been Cage's 89th birthday. But nothing was heard because the musical arrangement begins with a rest — of 20 months.[/quote:21baf8a305]

    :lol:
  49. avatar FiddlerOnTheRoof
    [quote:e88c65cdb8="comprachio"]intial thread: one of the most stupid statements i've read on fastfude regarding music[/quote:e88c65cdb8]
    More like [i:e88c65cdb8]the[/i:e88c65cdb8] most stupid statement I've read on fastfude.
    Time to put down the sub-three-min Kylie Minogue singles and get the Led (Zeppelin) out...
  50. avatar Gandalf
    ..........canute..........do you listen to music when you are on the job...? :wink:
  51. avatar feline1
    nobody wants no minute man, y'all... :x
  52. avatar Speed Demon
    [quote:4f0a8795af="FiddlerOnTheRoof"]get the Led (Zeppelin) out...[/quote:4f0a8795af]

    Communication Breakdown - 2:29