1. avatar beeatch
    Im looking to put together a cheap studio setup to record a demo. Nothing too flashy but enough to sound semi professional perhaps

    However I need some advice... we have a pa system, can i use the mixer from that to record through or should I be investing in some digital audio device?

    My soundcard is nothing special i'd imagine, it came with the pc... so maybe i shud be looking for an external piece of gear?

    iv seen a few digital audio interfaces about the net but do they serve a purpose more than the mixer i already have?

    looking to record drums guitar bass, maybe a little keyboard and acoustic guitar also

    any help welcome

    cheers
  2. avatar eazy_rider
    PM'd you.

    e_r
  3. avatar Speed Demon
    You could probably just plug together what you've got and have a go. See where the weak points seem to be and upgrade where required.

    Maybe your mixer is old and wheezy, maybe your sound card can't record and play at the same time. Or maybe they're OK.

    As somebody said somewhere on this forum :D (I think it was EPK) nobody expects a demo to be studio-perfect anyway. The idea is to prove that you have the talent to write and play music that people will want to listen to.
  4. avatar EPK
    The biggest mistake you can make is to put your effort in energy into attempting to assemble a studio that conforms to the specs many people will tell you you absolutely need to have.
    Balls to that.
    Put it into your music, it'll just divert you from that.
    All you need is a decent PC and soundcard, a half decent mixer...a cheap Behringer will do, and a couple of half decent mikes.
  5. avatar comprachio
    things i can't do without:

    A sequencer i'm comfy with
    A computer i'm comfy with
    Good Monitors
    a comfy seat....


    all about the comfort with me;)
  6. avatar thepalemonarch
    i totally agree with EPK

    ive been through the whole £500 for an 8 track nonsense, its bollocks.


    I made all of the following in my room, with just a PC, Decent Soundcard, and some Instruments, and im real happy with my sound;

    www.myspace.com/paradoxprofile
  7. avatar eazy_rider
    Just for a starter, what kind of mixer do you have?

    EPK has the truth of it, you don't need to spend a lot to get a good result. Depending on what you have, you maybe don't need to spend anything.

    e_r
  8. avatar EPK
    I urge musicians not to get into the technical thing too deeply.
    I started reading a manual on MIDI in 1985, and didn't write a song ever again as a result.
    Which is probably good for the world.
  9. avatar thepalemonarch
    lmao @ midi
  10. avatar thebatgranny
    I say this every time this topic comes up and I'll say it again. I had a reel to reel 8 track with a 16 channel mixer and a couple of rack units and it took so long to set everything up that by the time I was ready to record the will had left me. I ended up ditching it all and getting myself a half decent PC, a wee berhinger minimixer, a good mic and Cubase VST. Better quality recordings, less time faffing around and as a result better music. IMHO these days you only need a hardware recording studio if you are looking to open a recording studio. Keep it simple and get on with the music making!
  11. avatar EPK
    Bastards!!! You're not [i:40e980b450]supposed[/i:40e980b450] to agree with me!!!!!
  12. avatar comprachio
    Simplicity is certainly the way forward. Don't get bogged down in having the latest soft synths and plug ins but rather familarise yourself with a couple. My 'studio' includes the bare essentials (quality ones that I find comfortable to use) and little more.


    its not amazing quality but I'm also happy with my sound. all recorded in my bedroom: [url]http://www.myspace.com/thejanebradfords[/url]
  13. avatar exitonline
    [quote:86ab67ba48="beeatch"]My soundcard is nothing special i'd imagine, it came with the pc... so maybe i shud be looking for an external piece of gear?

    iv seen a few digital audio interfaces about the net but do they serve a purpose more than the mixer i already have?
    [/quote:86ab67ba48]

    Yeah generally the soundcards that come with PCs are very cheap and are not ment for any kind of "professional" recording, as they are primarily designed for multimedia use. Id recommend getting yourself a good firewire or usb audio interface, if you dont want to record a full drum kit you can get a basic 4 input one for cheap enough.

    You mention about the mixer... well you could just use the mixer and record via its outputs to the computers soundcard. But, if your looking for control, mulitracking, audio-fidelity etc... get a digital interface and a good DAW.
  14. avatar beeatch
    [quote:04c69f1403]Simplicity is certainly the way forward. Don't get bogged down in having the latest soft synths and plug ins but rather familarise yourself with a couple. My 'studio' includes the bare essentials (quality ones that I find comfortable to use) and little more[/quote:04c69f1403]

    I mean im only looking for enough to get some decent results, nothing near studio, i could never afford it or find the time to setup/learn the technicalities.

    My current problem is recording and playback at the same time. Especially with the drums, their next door to the pc. i tried running my sm58 next door and getting a drum track down, sounds reasonable however timing is obviously a big problem cos theres no monitor/playback capabilities. unless im doing something wrong...

    i have a carlsbro mixer which is used by the pa.

    4 xlr inputs i think... but like i say im a technophobiac in such matters...
    my soundcard doesnt support the 1/4 jack
  15. avatar comprachio
    Surely your soundcard/interface will allow you to monitor what you're at?

    I use reason for all drums. Its good if you take time to get to know it. Obviously techy people will know they're synthetic drums but if they sound good in a mix then why not go with it. Also you can record samples of your kit and use them instead of the factory sounds
  16. avatar beeatch
    that sounds worth a try, i'v never gone down the synth route cos i feared the results but if u say its hard to tell the difference, and the fact that u can record your own kit sound seems like an interesting concept...

    any idea of where i cud get a copy, even a trial wud be great
  17. avatar AndrewLsdLucy
    I think home recordings are a decent idea but what programe do u use to record and mix with? I have attempted some stuff on computer but it just was difficult to get a full sound everything tended to be weak sounding. The problem was the sound always peaked in the mix and it was difficult not to getting it peak yet sound audible.
  18. avatar comprachio
    without sounding patronising (or nasty) that is probably more to do with your ability to use the sequencer than the sequencer itself...
  19. avatar EPK
    I'd second that.
  20. avatar Freex
    For my two bits I'd say,

    Try a get your hands on some sequencer software.

    As long as you record all your parts seperately you should be fine with what you've got.

    A line in on your PC is just like 2 tracks.

    So for drums you could pan your kick and snare to one side and the rest to the other. Using your mixer to get it all down on to two channels. Maybe try micing the snare, the kick and two mics overhead.
    It's all down to trial and error.
    But coz your doing it at home you can take your time to get the best you can from what you've got.

    Guitars and Vox can all be added after.

    Altough I would suggest you put a "ghost" guitar and vox down first so that the drummer has something to play to.
    USE the click if you can as it will make editting any mistakes alot easier.

    Just try and get a nice clean signal in NOT peaking or you'll end up with "andrewLSDlucy's problem (at a guess).

    Have fun with the recording and try to enjoy the process.
  21. avatar AndrewLsdLucy
    Yeah heh. As my lack of knowledge on cool edit is very poor the first couple of attempt were basic. But i think with practice and someone that knows how to use it you coudl get good results. And not peaking ones lol :-D
  22. avatar beeatch
    well, time for a little update on my progress. spent a good while yesterday tryin to get the mixer rigged up to the pc. using the TAPE OUT (L+R) jacks going to the pc mic and the TAPE IN taking the signal back from the pc speaker jack to the mixer for playback. Both recording and playback are working :-D big step for someone with my limited tech knowhow. my main concern was hearing recorded wav's while recording a new track. i realised where i went wrong before, both record and playback features were trying to use the same device. so i changed the settings so they use separate devices and *YES!* recording in multitrack mode works :D

    likewise im using cool edit pro too. for now anyway. i tried recording a couple of drum tracks last nite and it sounds pretty sweet actually, considering i was only using one sm58. however i feel more mics wud make it even better. cant wait to get more testing done, but so far so good. most positive results yet
  23. avatar eazy_rider
    Go go go!
  24. avatar FiddlerOnTheRoof
    'Easy Rider' is a groovy posting name!
    That's not much of a tuppence toward the discussion, but it came from the heart..
    ...man
  25. avatar comprachio
    I prefer Sleazy Rider
  26. avatar ryankozzi
    i know everyones for PC recording but i use this and its amazing

    [img:3631dba245]http://i16.ebayimg.com/05/i/07/52/09/fa_1_b.JPG[/img:3631dba245]

    Its the ticket.
  27. avatar flaresnflowers
    whats everyones opinion on lo-fi gear?

    Personally I use a tascam 4 track tape recorder. Not for any philosophical reasons, just that its so simple and convenient to use (and cheap), and I have no space for a full pc setup, but I have to admit my results are never even close to my mate using a decent pc set up, but usually they are acceptable.

    I have a laptop and I keep meaning to get a decent usb audio interface and a mixer, but just havn't got around to it, so anytime I've tried to use it I have issues with monitoring delay. I don't do too much recording anyhoo.

    I was considering getting one of those there Zoom mrs8's, anybody used them?
  28. avatar ryankozzi
    crap. go with the boss BR jobbie above its better, ive had a mrs4 and a mrs8 they are not much cop.

    the fostex mr8 is even worse. worst digital 8 track ever made.

    the boss has basically a built in boss gt5/cosm effects, there are tons of options, in fact everything you need on it. and there is phantom power apleny to power condensers. records to compact flash which is cheap to buy if you want more rcording time/space
  29. avatar flaresnflowers
    Is anybody else still using older tape based gear? Even occasionally or anything?
  30. avatar ryankozzi
    no. these days tape stuff its awful. i cant have the hiss or the state of the art dolby muffled sound.

    its ok for quick ideas but..............

    for 'ideas' id just use the built in mic on the boss or if im really stuck either my mobile phone or MP3 recorder that both have crappy built in mics.

    i dont know many analogue home recording fans now that the digital age has come about. i mean for £500 you can get a home studio setup and even less if youre using pc.

    i just cant use the pc as i prefer the FEEL of analogue multi trackers as i was used to tape based tascams. for me, its easier.
  31. avatar flaresnflowers
    I can see where you're coming from, I kinda hate fiddlin round with the computer too.
  32. avatar RoobieMacoolie
    does anyone use garageband software on a mac?
    i was thinkin about gettin a used mac and takin it from there for a bit of recording, could be a cheap option,
    If i was to do this would anyone recommend an external device which would provide the ability to record more than 1/2 tracks at a time?
    pure laziness eh
  33. avatar flaresnflowers
    As far as I've heard the garage band software only allows you to record one track at a time. I could be wrong tho.
  34. avatar comprachio
    Yeah, you are actually wrong. Garageband (now in its third incarnation) DOES allow multiple track recording.

    There are very very few starter progs as good as GB and it is very compatible with logic for when you decide to graduate to the bigger sequencer. GB 3 plus a Macbook is a good affordable option... as for interface, take your pick!!!
  35. avatar ryanego
    A site i usually find helpful when i have a recording based question is[url]http://www.homerecording.com/bbs[/url]

    There's a lot of the usual techy "omg you dont even kno what a compressor is! i bet you have behringer stuff! I bet you're in the loudness race!" type attitude, but filter through that and you'll usually get a helpful response somewhere.