1. avatar An Expressway To Yr Skull
    Rock Pool Productions and the Cathedral Quarter Arts festival present...

    Geoff Gatts bizarre comedy musical

    HIPPOS IN THE SHOWER

    Its on at the War Memorial Hall on Waring Street in the Cathedral Quarter on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th of May.

    You can get your cheap tickets at www.CQAF.com or at the Belfast Welcome Centre on Donegall Place.

    Some fun quotes about the show:

    "The songs are hugely entertaining romps...with moments of genuine poignancy....the play’s good nature is a heartwarming reminder that in Belfast, extraordinary things can be done by quite ordinary people."
    THE VACUUM

    "A triumph of eccentric spark over limited means."
    FORTNIGHT MAGAZINE
  2. avatar thesneakybandit
    i'll be there on the 3rd... looking forward to this!!!
  3. avatar Knightsoftheroundtable
    http://www.cqaf.com/theatre_10.htm
  4. avatar the dregs jonny
    Hippos rocks !

    Best show I saw all last year. Hope to make it down for one of these.

    I hear there are a few changes to the cast ?
  5. avatar AngelaMOK
    yeah, there's a new Miss Grey, a new Danielle, some new pirates and beardoes and a new cork-hatted lady amongst others.
  6. avatar savoy truffle
    Nice wee shot in today's Irish News of Geoff Gatt and Adrian Cooke out promoting the show in the centre of town.

    From what I've heard of rehearsals I think the show is gonna be brilliant. Tighter and funnier than it was before.
  7. avatar the dregs jonny
    What ! You changed the cork-hatted lady ! That's it, I'm not going. :wink:
  8. avatar An Expressway To Yr Skull
    I hear shes hot
  9. avatar An Expressway To Yr Skull
    [img:dc16125a6b]http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j307/fergalms/COVER.jpg[/img:dc16125a6b]

    See in side the programme here http://blog.myspace.com/yrskull
  10. avatar Whos that
    How did the thespians* get on, on the first night? - Hope to be there on Thursday if there are tickets left.

    [size=9:9f377d8b94]*Is that the right spelling[/size:9f377d8b94]
  11. avatar lemonade
    I am soooo excited about finally seeing this play! Break a leg guys - i'll be down on the first night hopefully with some other red lemonites!! Hope you sell out and have great audiences!!
  12. avatar FiddlerOnTheRoof
    Thanks for the kind comments guys, things are on track and we're all ready to RROOOCCCCKKKKK

    [quote:9a80f3ba87="Whos that"]How did the thespians* get on, on the first night? - Hope to be there on Thursday if there are tickets left.[/quote:9a80f3ba87]

    Actually, the show opens tonight man. No doubt you'll still scoop a few tickets at this stage for Thurs.
    Another interesting change is that the show is now Directed by Sarah Lyle from the Sarah Lyle Band! But the majority of the cast and crew are still the familiar faces of old
  13. avatar icedcoffee
    I heard, from an inside source, that thursday is the day to be there - and I dont plan on missing it!
  14. avatar FiddlerOnTheRoof
    Yes, there are definitely a bunch of tickets left as I'm just off the phone to the Welcome Centre booking one for a mate and I asked. Mind you they're going quick, which is great, and there was a real good crowd in for opening night there.
  15. avatar Beau Sooth
    I saw this for the first time last night.In terms of narrative it's a real mess although the first half is more coherent and generally better than the second half.
    To be honest though that's not what I really took to be important from watching it.What I really liked was the undeniable fun of it all;exuberant rock and roll songs accompanying the unrestrained other-worldliness presented onstage.I suppose when taken in this context,narrative falls by the wayside!
    The actors that stood out for me:Elvis,Tom,Swedish girl,Captain.

    Really liked the song that was along with the dream-type sequence with Miss Grey floating in from the back of the hall.Was it called 'in the net' or something?Geoff really writes nice slow dreamy tunes at times.

    All good fun!
  16. avatar xfirefishx
    See now, I thought this was awful.

    I'll admit there were some good bits - the music was nice; some excellent singers; some good individual performances in parts. So there is my concession for what I'm about to say now.

    I felt a little bit perturbed about having to pay £6 for what was essentially a school play that you would only go to to see your little brother or sister. Yes, it was an amateur production - a very amateur production. The storyline was very confusing to begin with and even when it became less confusing, it was just a very basic, unoriginal core idea. Okay so it was embellished with lobsters and "funny" characters but it seemed strange to me that people kept telling me that this was creative and innovative and great to see something so happy and upbeat coming from Belfast.

    I refuse to believe that argument. I'm not a cynic for the most part. And I don't believe it is what Belfast needs. There are much higher class performances coming from Queen's School of Drama.

    Musically it was fine - but when those songs were put in the context of a pretty poor play, it was ridiculous. I think it probably was enjoyable for those who knew friends in it (the school play syndrome) but to the paying public (well, to me as this is simply my opinion) it was well, pretty bad.
  17. avatar savoy truffle
    All fair enough, but probably best to keep non-positive coments until the run is over tomorrow. It is an amateur group and it would be a shame if negative comments affected their performances tonight and tomorrow.
  18. avatar T Entertainment
    Aye but local bands are amateur on the whole, innit.
    And if you charge six sheets, you gotta come up with the goods or take some flak.
    I wasn't there so can't comment on the event itself.
  19. avatar tates modern
    Firefish: Lighten up!
    I've seen some awful plays (and some great ones) by Queens drama and they're meant to be getting a degree out of it, these guys are doing it for nothing. It seems to me it just wasn't your taste. I went to see Syriana in the cinema, don't think i quite understood it, doesn't mean i didn't enjoy it. Why not go away and think up some constructive criticism and tell the cast themselves instead of posting your petty jealousies here.
  20. avatar T Entertainment
    Merely as a point of online principle here, if you use this board to flog your wares and people pays their moneys and takes their choices, then they are completely entitled to report back with their views.
    That's, erm, what this site is for (one of its manifold functions).
    At least that view is objective and not from someone involved in the event and who appears to have attended just to see what all the fuss was about.
    I didn't see it, but the principle stands.
  21. avatar Speed Demon
    I don't think it's fair to criticise firefish for saying what she thinks.

    I saw the play/musical/thing at the Empire last time, and I was entranced. But maybe that's because I have an unusually high capacity for suspending disbelief. In objective terms, there were many, many aspects to the show that were half-assed -- just like wobbly sets on early Dr. Who or Star Trek. But if you entered into the thing and decided you'd done with being cool, it was quite magical.

    If the "magic" didn't work for firefish, that's sad, but it leaves her with the ability to criticise objectively. I'm not surprised that some of the new show seems amateurish, and I won't be surprised if, on Thursday, I don't notice that at all.
  22. avatar EPK
    [quote:fe160eb073] It seems to me it just wasn't your taste. Why not go away and think up some constructive criticism and tell the cast themselves instead of posting your petty jealousies here.[/quote:fe160eb073]

    That's a ridiculous thing to say to a measured review by someone like Firefish who has a solid reputation and who should not only be allowed to express her view, but perhaps actually be listened to.
    I think "petty" is the objective word here, but applied to the childish, spitting response.
    Grow up...or else go tell Firefish herself, instead of posting your petty jealousy here.
  23. avatar cosmic_debris
    so theres no chance that firefish's post was actually personal and petty in the first place?
  24. avatar xfirefishx
    Why on earth would it be:
    a) petty and
    b) personal?
    I know some of the performers in the play! I stand to gain nothing from personal attacks! Plus, why are they petty simply because they are different to your opinions?

    Why on earth would I be jealous? Jealous of what? I think it is ridiculous to say that I would be jealous. I have been (in the past) very much involved in performing arts and the like. Reactions to such are always varied and I accepted that.

    It's blindly obvious that I support a lot of local music and indeed local culture and that I am not just coming from nowhere, trolling with 2 posts to my name. I've never been afraid to either compliment or indeed criticise what I've seen whether or not I've personally known people involved. I am providing an objective view, *my* view. Why is it so bad that I disagree with what you think? Surely my response to this play is as valid as any other?
  25. avatar JennyHill
    [quote:6bc8209bb4="savoy truffle"]All fair enough, but probably best to keep non-positive coments until the run is over tomorrow. It is an amateur group and it would be a shame if negative comments affected their performances tonight and tomorrow.[/quote:6bc8209bb4]

    See, that just seems a bit silly. This is not a forum for blowing sparkles up one another's asses, as any regular reader/poster will know.

    If something is not worth paying six quid for, I'd rather know that before I, er, pay six quid for it. And if somebody whose judgement is trusted posts a review of something here, people are entitled to read that review while it is most pertinent to them, i.e. while they still have an option to go or not go.
  26. avatar EPK
    Cosmic Debris...perhaps you'd like to substantiate your allegations further?
  27. avatar palrub
    [quote:53cd8d044a]And if somebody whose judgement is trusted posts a review of something here, people are entitled to read that review while it is most pertinent to them, i.e. while they still have an option to go or not go.
    [/quote:53cd8d044a]

    That said, i would never avoid / sit through new releases on a whim from a critic, i'd pay for a film if the plot seems interesting enough [b:53cd8d044a]TO ME[/b:53cd8d044a] and the particular genre appeals [b:53cd8d044a]PERSONALLY[/b:53cd8d044a] et al. Prime example - 'Don't watch LOTDead, it's balls' ... i like Romero's directorial and zombie flicks, went to see it... IT WAS BALLS! But hey atleast i made my own mind up rather than joining the flock unawares.

    I don't see why anybody would want to take a critique at face value and cancel their plans to see the show. The opinions of others are just that, regardless of how many posts they have / where they work / the band they're in / the showcases they run yadda yadda. Don't be a sheep, go see if the idea of lobsters and songs appeals to [b:53cd8d044a]YOU[/b:53cd8d044a]

    [quote:53cd8d044a]it seemed strange to me that people kept telling me that this was creative and innovative and great to see something so happy and upbeat coming from Belfast. [/quote:53cd8d044a]

    This is the same mindless drivel that I hear week in week out about upcoming bands - innovative / electrifying / untarnished. 99% bullshyte. Agreed that after paying £6 it can be a let down Firefish, but countless times i've paid to see 'the next big thing' here and they've been average at best.

    It's always a gamble when you part with money to see an event / band that you know next to nothing about, but Firefish clearly formulated her opinion following said experience and her opinion is as is.
  28. avatar goodonpaper
    It's particularly pleasing to see independent groups such as those that put Hippos together getting the support to put something of their own unique creation out like this, irregardless of how enjoyable you personally find it.

    Despite its obvious flaws, I enjoyed it very much - especially the songs - and look forward to the same opportunities that Hippos were given being taken up by an increasing number of potentially better groups, or again by the same bunch to create a slightly more solid performance.
  29. avatar cosmic_debris
    It seems quite easy for people to come on and post veiled slaggings of people, safe in the knowledge that there will be loads of people like EPK ready to leap in to protect our right to free speech. Which of course is a good thing, but does this mean you would defend my right to write "this is awful" on every poster i come across in town? firefish may be the next lester bangs and thats awesome, but i dont think theres any need for being that much of a dik about it.

    And thats just my opinion, so suck me. :lol:
  30. avatar EPK
    Oh right...I see now...you accused her of being petty and jealous [i:0dcd5a9b92]because you could[/i:0dcd5a9b92].
    Not because there was even the slightest possibility it might be true.
    Not because you'd some information of bias on her part.
    I would have thought you'd be interested in protecting your own integrity, but since you've failed to even begin to support your allegations, I'll take [i:0dcd5a9b92]your[/i:0dcd5a9b92] opinions in future as devoid of any intrinsic worth, since they're likely to be more ramblings without factual basis.
    I'm still amazed by the inability of people to take any measured criticism for themselves, their friends, their friends' friends and their dog.
    Perhaps all the intellectually stunted munchkins who decide to put on gigs and shows can preface them with "No criticism-good reviews only" on the posters.
  31. avatar thesneakybandit
    I saw this last night and can only assume that the cast and crew really pulled out all the stops to make up for what has been quoted by many as 'a half-assed performance' from the night before.

    I was a little wary of it all after reading some people's negative comments but for me the slight amateurishness of it all only added to the charm. Sure, there was some ad-libbing and wobbly bits of set, sometimes the music drowned out the vocals but that's besides the point.

    Taking into consideration the astronomical amounts of money it can cost to see so-called professional actors stage some arty-farty pretentious play which turns out to be mere self-indulgent drivel and the fact that a show like this costs money to put together, I though the six quid was great value.

    Any group of people in this city who can put a smile on the faces of a hundred people on a wet and windy night have my respect, whether or not they do it in a professional manner or not. The songs were beautifully crafted, characters were true to life in many ways as the balance between lighthearted banter, local humour and sheer heartbreak at times was just right.

    I applaud everyone involved in the production and particularly repsect the fact that they got stuck in after a poorer performance to put things right.
  32. avatar savoy truffle
    I wasn’t suggesting that people only post positive reviews. My point was that a lot of the cast are acting for the first time and will not have as thick a skin as gigging local bands. Therefore I know it would be better for their nerves if any non-positive stuff was posted after the show. I wasn’t being a prick. I simply asked that out of courtesy. The shows running three nights which requires a lot of focus and concentration.

    I’m saying this because I’m friends with the majority of the cast and don’t want them to be affected by negativity. (Yes some people actually take fastfude posts to heart). People who don’t know the cast can of course take the decision to not care and say what they like. I don't have a right to stop people saying whatever they want.

    I just wanted to make sure last night and tonight’s performances weren’t brought down by bad reviews. Of course people can criticise it, but it’s an amateur show not flipping Broadway.

    Personally I don't care if it's good or bad. A local musician writing a musical and putting it on in the Cathedral Quarter Arts Festival with absolutely zero money and still pulling all the stops out? In my opinion if people find it even slightly amusing, then the show is validated.
  33. avatar spanielwoof
    You can't wrap people in cotton wool, that's not real life.
  34. avatar savoy truffle
    No it's not, but are you going to tell a four-year old her painting is sh-it because she only has three fingers on the hand?

    I'm sure you understand the analogy.
  35. avatar spanielwoof
    That's a laughable analogy.
    I understand more than you realise.
  36. avatar xfirefishx
    Here, is the whole point not that I had an opinion and that I'm entitled to my own opinion?
    The End.

    And if you're comparing Hippos In The Shower to a three-fingered four year old... it's an unfortunate analogy.
  37. avatar Tom McShane
    i have to say, i went to see the show on tuesday evening and i enjoyed it thoroughly. i thought the songs great and the story quite charming. the execution was a wee bit wobbly in few places but i figure that's part of the deal. on the whole the spirit of the play, along with some pretty witty scripting and some really strong performances, carried it through. i was quite enthralled.

    as with any piece of art, it won't be to everyone's taste but there's nothing unhealthy about that. and a wee bit of friendly debate over a play's merits won't do any harm. all publicity is good publicity an' all that!
  38. avatar savoy truffle
    [quote:39f3eaa329="xfirefishx"]Here, is the whole point not that I had an opinion and that I'm entitled to my own opinion?
    [/quote:39f3eaa329]

    I'm not arguing with that. I'm saying that sometimes we can cut people a bit of slack. We don't need to be hard-ass critics when it's not appropriate. My reasoning for this is in my previous posts.
  39. avatar Stalina
    I once knew a girl with 6 fingers on one hand. 2 thumbs, y'see.
  40. avatar xfirefishx
    Yeah, that's also a fair enough point but I would just also like to point out that I didn't say anything which in *my opinion, was unjustified. Plus I pointed out the positive aspects!
  41. avatar savoy truffle
    You're right, it was more other people's attitudes I was referring to.
  42. avatar T Entertainment
    Once again, just on a point of principle: I'd *always* prefer to read the objective views of people who *aren't* mates with a band or cast or whatever. (note: 'prefer' - the views of those close to an act are not irrelevant, but they are just inevitably going to be more prone to bias and subjectivity).
    There is nothing to be gained for any act or artistic venture from existing in a criticism-free mutual appreciation circle jerk.
  43. avatar savoy truffle
    Yeah, you're right but you understand my point about cutting people slack. If you're expecting West Side Story you're not gonna get it.

    Nor is there anything to be gained for an artistic venture existing in a criticism-free mutual disappreciation circle jerk.
  44. avatar T Entertainment
    And one considered if negative review from an objective source amidst a welter of positive comment does not by any means qualify as that, innit. 8)
  45. avatar EPK
    Good.....we're all agreed then.
    However, it seems that the show seems to have benefitted in pulling out the stops to make good any criticism.
    That shows that the review by Firefish had a positive impact which, I'm sure, was her intention in the long run.
    We've had quite a few of these squealie matches when someone's given honest appraisals of gigs, recordings or whatever.
    In each case the squealing has been done by friends and associates who end up doing even more damage.
    In music, entertainment or whatever, getting reviews and sifting them for ways to improve is the norm...as is taking bad ones on the chin.
    Countering the bad reviews with good ones works best, shooting the messenger worst.
  46. avatar savoy truffle
    Yeah. I don't want to prolong this. I wasn't knocking Firefish's review. And mates giving glowing reviews is counter productive.

    However I do often sense an attitude of people knocking something which is popular without actually checking it out for themselves.

    And although I'm a mate I can give constructive criticism. The first act is too long. If you're drinking beforehand, hit the loo big style.
  47. avatar thesneakybandit
    I noticed that last night actually... The first half seems almost twice as long as the second part. I was standing for the whole of the first act too! Typical!
  48. avatar T Entertainment
    But Dom, old chap:
    "I do often sense an attitude of people knocking something which is popular without actually checking it out for themselves."

    That's the precise opposite of what happened in this instance! :P

    I ain't said a word about the production, my point is just that it's more healthy when people can express their honest opinions without a witch hunt.
  49. avatar savoy truffle
    I can read between the lines. :P
  50. avatar Black Betty
    With respect, I'm not sure it was firefish's review that made the difference; however, I agree, you can't open a production to the general public, especially if you're charging entrance, without being prepared for (and appreciative of) a spectrum of reactions and feedback.

    Tuesday night WAS rough, which i think was due to first night nerves and teething problems, combined with it being the first full run through with the complete cast. Last night was tighter, more confident and generally much more fun (or so I thought, from my shadowy vantage point, and judging from the audience's enthusiastic reaction). I'm hoping tonight's show will be even better again.

    If anyone felt shafted, i know that wasn't anyone's intention, but these things happen. Looking forward to hearing what tonight's crowd thought: all opinions welcome :)
  51. avatar thesneakybandit
    and one lucky person from last night only paid four quid in becuase i'm unable to do simple door mathematics :lol:
  52. avatar savoy truffle
    Bastardo. I want two quid back.
  53. avatar jenniemcc
    This thread reminds me a lot of the great 'KOTRT' discussions. It could go on forever! Now, I would describe myself as a 'lurker' on these forums. Reading a lot of threads, not often posting (unless it's to promote a gig). But on this, I gotta throw my two cents out there.


    I'm going to see the show tonight, and I really hope it's improved since the first two runs. They had their charms, but the show obviously needed work. Even in it's early stages the songs stood out, and some of the performances were excellent. But the script always needed work.

    I admire Geoff's determination to get things going. And he's a great songwriter. But scriptwriter?

    I understand how much work it takes to get a show like Hippos up and running. It's not easy. But when you DO put it on and start charging people to see it, you open yourself up to feedback. Both positive and negative. The performers involved should know that. Amateur or not. Holding back on negative feedback til the end of the run is bullsh1t.

    Imagine a new band playing their first gig ever, for free. Imagine it doesn't go great, and in fact they are rubbish. I guarantee you people would be on this forum slagging them off. Fair enough.

    Now imagine a drama group (who have been putting on the same show for almost a year) put on a show, and charge £6 admission. Imagine it doesn't go great. savoytruffle wants us to hold back on the criticism for fear of hurting people's feelings. Hmmmmmm.

    I can't comment on how this month's run has gone because I haven't seen it. I didn't hear great things about Tuesday's performance but like I say, I can't personally comment. If anyone IS interested in what I think, check back tomorrow. But, it's just my own opinion. Everyone is free to make up their own, of course.
  54. avatar Black Betty
    Now now Jenny

    I seem to remember you charging people 11 quid (9.50 on the door mind) to see the very same show when YOU produced it in the Empire... you must have forgotten to mention that in your last post :)

    Well, you asked for it
  55. avatar Black Betty
    Sorry, i know that wasn't really relevant, but I couldn't resist :) Nothing's ever objective in this wee village of ours, is it?

    Jen- it'll be nice to see you tonight, it's been too long
    x
  56. avatar EPK
    [quote:a80505943f]However I do often sense an attitude of people knocking something which is popular without actually checking it out for themselves.
    [/quote:a80505943f]

    Emm..no-one has actually done that.
    What both I and T Ent have done is to defend someone's right to give an honest review of something.
    Neither of us have mentioned the production itself...just a principle.
    It seems that in reading between the lines you're seeing others that don't exist.
    Better sticking to the ones that actually do.
  57. avatar jenniemcc
    Too true, £11 it was. And people gave out about that too! But as I recall, mostly the reviews were pretty good?

    Also, I think that after almost a year in production shouldn't things have improved somewhat? The comments that people are making now are very similar to what was said after the first run in the OMAC - School play-ish, amateurish, script needing work......

    That's what I'll be looking out for tonight. Improvements on previous shows.

    I'm not here to criticise, I want the show to do well! But you guys have to be able to take both positive and negative comments whithout getting so defensive.
  58. avatar BookBookBook
    Does Hippos in the Shower come under the term 'GIGS'. If it does, it is brilliant that so many musicians are criticising it and complimenting it. But what if it doesn't come under the term 'GIGS'? And what about FASTFUDE being the place to talk about Northern Ireland's [i:994949fb55]music[/i:994949fb55] scene?

    Unfortunately, after Hippos in the Shower being staged in the Empire, people address it as if it were a band, using words such as 'tight', 'improvisation'. Even one poster compared the whole thing to a band's first gig.

    It's not fair to judge something either on the people who are in it, the cliques involved or who knows more of the cast than who. It's about time people looled at it the way it is, a musical, not so much different from the reams of musicals that came out of America in the mid 2oth Century.

    Pity anything different in this place is treated so, by the 'liberal' people thinking they can give it a voice. Let it speak for itself, and those sorts of cheesy things.
  59. avatar xfirefishx
    You've never heard anyone critique a play or a musical?

    And who judged this by the people who were in it? Maybe someone did but I might not have noticed it...

    And who is anyone here to know what I, or indeed many other people here, know about theatre, musicals or performance art? Or what my views are on "experiemental" theatre?

    So because I didn't like it, I'm:
    a) cycnical
    b) ignorant to the genre
    c) plain wrong?

    Might not be being said explicitly but it's being implied. People need to learn to accept all reasonable reviews of their performances or "art" (whether they be music, theatre, print etc) - not only the ones they wish to hear.
  60. avatar chrisjedijane
    Re: bookbookbook,

    the comments on "improvisation" and "tightness" are both apt and valid, being as there is generally a bit of improvisation with the lines, and both the music and performances are open to scrutiny about how tight and together they are.

    I thought firefish's comments were fair, it's not a play for everyone, and people looking for social commentary and deep and meaningful (and serious) sentiment will be disappointed. It's not really about that though, it's more about the musical side of things (for me, anyway).

    This is a light-hearted (and most importantly fun) play which was subject to a couple of teething problems on the first night. We took the criticism on board (well I did, anyway) and we got it together for the second night (as was evident by the greatly improved audience reaction).

    We were all more than a bit stressed out on tuesday, and by last night everyone had calmed down and was enjoying it!

    I don't mind what people say about it, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and constructive criticism is always welcome.
  61. avatar EPK
    And yet another Knight...Don Quixote, perhaps, gallops forth with his single figure post count to defend his friends' honour from the horrors of criticism.
    Sunshine..the reason HITS is being discussed on the "Gigs Discussion" board, as a gig, is because yer mates STUCK IT IN HERE TO ADVERTISE IT.
    Now, if you want different treatment, think about putting it up somewhere more sensitive to the fragile soul of the thespian, rather than here amongst the clodhopping brutish musical community.
    Would someone from the Knights please rein in these dolts, before they cause even [i:fdeb744515]more[/i:fdeb744515] damage.
  62. avatar thesneakybandit
    benji - our festival photographer took a few good shots last night... look at thon chrisjedijane with his fake beard!!!

    http://www.cqaf.com/uploads/hippos1.jpg
    http://www.cqaf.com/uploads/hippos2.jpg
  63. avatar Black Betty
    I'm just pointing out - and this is the last of it - that I believe the only two posters on the last couple of pages to have actually performed in this leg of the show (albeit in a musical, non-thespian capacity) are myself and Chrisjedijane there, and we seem to agree with yins. All right?

    [size=9:55b316e194]p.s. because someone who is affiliated with knights or any other of those interlinking circles speaks out in defence of this particular 'cause' (sigh) doesn't mean they were put up to it or that they're speaking on anyone's behalf... * (no offence meant now, i'm only speaking for myself)



    *Sentiments of all defensive protestations duly appreciated.[/size:55b316e194]
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  64. avatar FiddlerOnTheRoof
    Firefish gave a fair review, plain and simple. It was interesting and, in that it reflects her views, it was balanced and reasonable. Unlike Speed Demon and Beau Sooth, or like The Fires of Hell in his Vacuum review last time round, she didn't approach the show Imaginatively, which to me is a failure on her part. But I'm an eccentric "nut job" (to borrow a line from the show), and suspect that most people would be in agreement with a more realistic take on it, like the fair, dare I say 'sensible' one Firefish has displayed.

    That's as far as the interest in the review goes! End of!
    The reason this discussion has been likened to TKOTRT arguments is chiefly because the "objective" thing under discussion, be it Hippos, a gig, poetry, or whatevah, has been momentarily critiqued and the discussion has suddenly inverted itself to become all about Fastfude itself, or the egos therein.
    So, for example:--

    [quote:67ff2956c5="xfirefishx"]Here, is the whole point not that I had an opinion and that I'm entitled to my own opinion?
    The End.[/quote:67ff2956c5]

    No, it's not the "whole point". Indeed, it's not the point at all. The "point" is that a musical is under discussion.

    [quote:67ff2956c5="jenniemcc"]But you guys have to be able to take both positive and negative comments whithout getting so defensive.[/quote:67ff2956c5]
    [quote:67ff2956c5="Black Betty"]I believe the only two posters on the last couple of pages to have performed in this leg of the show (albeit in a musical, non-thespian capacity) are myself and Chrisjedijane there, and we seem to agree with yins. All right?[/quote:67ff2956c5]
    This was so obvious I hadn't even thought it necessary to gloss it Betty. Besides yourself, NOBODY from the cast had commented either positively or defensively on all the Fastfude philosophy that had been spewing forth since the negative comments began way back in the heady days of Page One. And your own comments were sensible (if a little naughty! :-D ). Indeed, none of us had commented AT ALL asides from this.

    At present I'm reading remarks and reviews with interest. If a real thick-as-a-brick clanger does happen to come along (Fastfude is renowned for its rare breed of excellently written reviews, and also for its more common cousin, the 'incoherent load of rubbish' review), then I WILL comment / give my own views / DEFEND / do whatever I want!
    If I can be bothered.
    Wahay!
  65. avatar EPK
    Oh, I know they're not speaking on behalf of the Knights, it's just that they're not helping the public interfacing of the organisation by blundering in, as has been the case a few times already.
    The fact that all previous posts have been on behalf of KOTRT will make that connection unavoidable, which is unfortunate.
    That's why I'm asking for a quiet internal word in the ear of some people, to stop these disastrous interventions...though probably well intended...from continuing to cause damage.
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  66. avatar EPK
    I agree with some of what you say, Tom.
    However..I disagree on some stuff.
    Any musical production not only should expect but should [i:216d7f8609]invite[/i:216d7f8609] reviews as a means to publicity, having faith in itself to do so.
    The review content should be beyond their ability to influence it, and by the same token, the reviewer should be beyond influence and honest in approach.
    I'm happy that was the case above...and look...you'll [i:216d7f8609]still[/i:216d7f8609] probably have more bums on seats as a result of the above debate than you would have had without a review by Firefish.
  67. avatar xfirefishx
    [quote:d0c53fc904]she didn't approach the show Imaginatively, which to me is a failure on her part.[/quote:d0c53fc904]

    Woah, woah - wha?
    And you've decided because I didn't like it, I didn't approach it imaginatively? What is an imaginative approach then? Imagining that I was watching something better?

    It is nothing to do with my imagination or (your assumed) lack there of.
  68. avatar Strong Reaction
    Surely it's all a matter of opinion, and this is a 'discussion' forum?
  69. avatar T Entertainment
    Claiming to know how someone 'should' approach the viewing of a performance is juddering pretension and (attempted) condecension of the worst possible kind. But not in the slightest bit surprising.
  70. avatar T Entertainment
    "the discussion has suddenly inverted itself to become all about Fastfude itself, or the egos therein."

    No, that's just complete sh*te, I'm afraid. You seem to be attempting to do so, though.
  71. avatar die the flu
    Would it be condescending of me to point out you misspelt "condescension"?...

    :wink:
  72. avatar T Entertainment
    Yes. 8)
  73. avatar Speed Demon
    This always happens. I know the guys, and I'm sympathetic to what they do, and I end up cringing in embarrassment at the things said by supporters.

    As EPK has tried to point out on at least two posts in this thread, some of the well-meaning but unconsidered responses to criticism have actually done PR damage, not repair. When you're in a hole, stop digging.

    Someone saw the show, didn't like it, and simply and politely said so, explaining why. That's a good thing.
  74. avatar thesneakybandit
    ah so much consternation all out of one little quirky love story with imaginary hippos... :roll:
  75. avatar Strong Reaction
    I liked playing Hungry Hippos as a kid.
  76. avatar the er
    i heard wednesday nights performance was great and the cast were loving it compared to tuesday. thats the uncertainty and fun of live performances tho i guess.

    i loved hippos when it was on in the empire thon time. i love that lobster song (cant rem the name)

    as regards the QUB drama things. they have some great ones yeah. but as sumone says, those ppl are studying it and gettin a degree outta it, the hippos types i assume are all doin it for the fun and such. also tbh, i hve probably seen more god awful queens productions than i have seen decent queens productions


    good luck with the grand finale hippos!
  77. avatar goodonpaper
    Did I hear Tom McShanes Mrs mention there was a CD available?
  78. avatar FiddlerOnTheRoof
    EPK, yes, I see what you mean. (that's in response to your post directed to me)

    [quote:6b71f965f0="xfirefishx"][quote:6b71f965f0]she didn't approach the show Imaginatively, which to me is a failure on her part.[/quote:6b71f965f0]

    Woah, woah - wha?
    And you've decided because I didn't like it, I didn't approach it imaginatively? What is an imaginative approach then? Imagining that I was watching something better?

    It is nothing to do with my imagination or (your assumed) lack there of.[/quote:6b71f965f0]

    No insult intended chum.
    You've commented on a musical, I've commented on your comments.
    It happens around here. And will probably happen again.
  79. avatar Stalina
    Geoff kindly gave me a copy of the CD for my birthday. I don't know if they're for sale, though.
  80. avatar the dregs jonny
    Ok, I might as well stick my oar in too....

    Just back from the show and can see both sides of the debate here. I missed the start, but to me the whole show seemed to start very slowly. It was so nervous at times, I was cringing and squirming in my seat. Can't say I liked Rain stick's song much, preferred the punk Vina Tito they played in the Empire.

    But with the arrivals of Vance/Elvis, Peter in his Y fronts and Ya from Sveden the pace and the laughs picked up. The incidental music was excellent, the new Miss Grey played her part really well, and Geoff Gatt's songs are instantly catchy and memorable.

    The War Museum venue was a fittingly surreal setting for 'Hippos' but I don't think it helped with the 'school play' feel that firefish mentioned.

    Reservations aside though, this show is simply great fun, a very peculiar hippo-fish which stands out a mile from any other fish in our little NI music pond.
    My congrats to cast and crew.
  81. avatar welshchris
    Can't be bothered with reading this whole thread.. Just caught the last bit anyway have to say I had the misfortune of seeing some of the guys singing songs from this a while ago.. hence my absence from the show and disinterest in reading the whole thread..

    All I really want to say is if you get up on stage be ready to accept criticism...
  82. avatar thesneakybandit
    [quote:2f85829804="Stalina"]Geoff kindly gave me a copy of the CD for my birthday. I don't know if they're for sale, though.[/quote:2f85829804]

    there were cd's for sale around the time of the empire gigs. i don't know if there'd be any still available. i'd quite like one if there was...
  83. avatar sarahlyle
    I would just like to say that this whole thread is a pile of sh*te! The world of 'show business' is cut throat enough without this disgraceful lack of support for yes an 'amateur' show/company! People have forgotten about the spirit of theatre and especially the spirit of Hippos.

    Firstly, if you didn't see the show this time round, do not comment on it, for how can you have a formed opinion? Secondly, Who exactly is the girl who started this and I would like to know why people have placed her on a pedastool? Thirdly, thankyou all those who appreciated the show for what it is, flaws and all!

    Yes, the opening night was tough as the cast had never worked as 'one' until then. I'm sure that those of you who were quick to criticise (and I see no problem with having an opinion, but tact and sensitivity is always admired) are all aware that there are always 'conditions' and things going on behind the scenes of which an audience is not aware of which make life very difficult for all cast/crew involved.

    I want to inform you all that none of the cast were aware of this thread until after the show last night, so comments here did not affect them in any way. The fantastic 2nd and 3rd night shows were soley down to them focussing, relaxing and letting go!

    I come from a professional background and know and understand 'the business'. I hate the unsupportive, 'backstabbing' side to it and I choose not to work like that and steer clear of people who are like that, problems should be worked through, not slated.

    Any cast reading, well done, you know how the process has been, and you came through it, eventually!
  84. avatar Pete
    It has been said before, and I will say it again.

    If you want to put on a show (or gig, or reading, or exhibition) and publicly promote it on a discussion forum then you have to accept that there will comments of both positive and negative natures.

    If you want to run your amateur productions in the spirit you intend and have fun with friends and family then by all means go ahead. But if you put it on as part of a festival and charge an admission then people have a right to express and opinion.

    I saw nothing at all harsh or "insensitive" about the comments Firefish made in her post. All I saw was some reactionary nonsense to a review that actually pointed out positives as well as negatives.

    [quote:7c18117526="sarahlyle"] problems should be worked through, not slated[/quote:7c18117526]

    Then why get on your high horse when people help by pointing out those problems? How can you know what to fix if you don't know the flaws?

    The toys are well and truely out of the pram there Sarah, I suggest you quit now and stop making the hole any deeper.
  85. avatar dirty stevie smitty
    If someone did'nt like it, then that's their opinion.

    It's a public forum, they have the right to discuss it on a public forum.

    What's the problem?

    Dry yer eyes.
  86. avatar Speed Demon
    I saw it last night. I enjoyed myself. The songs are excellent, and the playing and singing were very good. I think there's a future for a separate career for the band. They could call themselves, oh, I don't know, "The Winding Escalator".

    Things ran pretty tightly all the time. On a [b:d759a0e115]few[/b:d759a0e115] occasions, the dialogue was not audible from the back, mainly due to over-excited delivery. But the story came over perfectly, and the dreamlike logic of it does make a kind of sense.

    There was frequent laughter from the audience, in the right places; and I got the impression that it was all going down well.

    There is absolutely no need for the knee-jerk defensiveness exhibited by those members of the team who happen to post on fastfude. You should learn to accept criticism gracefully, whether you agree with it or not. You went out on a limb doing something "quirky" that was inevitably not going to appeal to all.

    With perhaps one exception above, all the prickliness and hostility on this thread has come from your direction, and it hasn't done you any good. Stop it.
  87. avatar xfirefishx
    Dear Sarah, get over yourself.

    I'm not even going to go into the many ridiculous things you just said in your post.

    And why did they place me on a pedestal? I have no idea. Why do people go mental everytime someone happens to disagree with them? Weird, eh.
  88. avatar T Entertainment
    If a music journalist who has covered more local output in the past 2 years than anyone I can think of isn't entitled to give her honest opinion on this after paying to see it, who the f*ck is?
    All I've seen on this thread or indeed any about this production is gushing praise from participants or those who are friends with participants. Fair enough. It says a lot that at the first sign of objective criticism, the shrill hysterical response and abuse is deafening.



    I suggest you dry your eyes, love.
  89. avatar T Entertainment
    PS No one criticised a performance they hadn't seen.
    I and others merely wanted to defend someone's right to give their honest opinion.

    I just saw this: "People have forgotten about the spirit of theatre and especially the spirit of Hippos."

    :smt005

    True, theatre is NEVER reviewed, and certainly NEVER harshly. :shock:
  90. avatar sarahlyle
    Well that certainly got you's all going! Only fighting our corner guys, we have no problem with constructive criticism. As you have all repeatedly said, you're entitled to your opinion and I to mine!
  91. avatar tenrabbits
    [quote:f1f26d1646="sarahlyle"]I hate the unsupportive, 'backstabbing' side to it [/quote:f1f26d1646]

    Jolly good - I believe Chris said you were s[u:f1f26d1646][/u:f1f26d1646]hite quite openly so I guess you don't have to worry about backstabbing there.

    His problem, as with some others on here is that if you are charging into a performance it shouldn't resemble Phoenix Nights. I can only applaud people putting on a variety style show in Belfast - it must be hard I know - but if you expect people to treat you professionally then put on a professional act.
  92. avatar The Fires of Hell
    [quote:8e4830cbdb]oh, I don't know, "The Winding Escalator". [/quote:8e4830cbdb]

    I sincerely hope this is meant in jest.
  93. avatar T Entertainment
    "I believe Chris said you were shite quite openly so I guess you don't have to worry about backstabbing there."

    But I didn't, Charlie - I was merely defending someone's / anyone's right to give a balanced, objective review of it. Keep up at the back, lad :P
  94. avatar welshchris
    "But I didn't, Charlie - I was merely defending someone's / anyone's right to give a balanced, objective review of it. Keep up at the back, lad "


    no but I did... or at least did my best to imply it..
  95. avatar tenrabbits
    [quote:1f0acf81b0="T Entertainment"]But I didn't, Charlie - I was merely defending someone's / anyone's right to give a balanced, objective review of it. Keep up at the back, lad :P[/quote:1f0acf81b0]

    I meant welshchris! Don't worry T.. I know what ye's meant!
  96. avatar sarahlyle
    This has got way too personal, bitchy and spiteful for my liking, not a discussion but a slagging match and that's pretty low. I'm checking out!
  97. avatar thesneakybandit
    everybody should just go out in the sun for a while, get a few beers and chill out... hippos is over and done with for this run. summer's in the air and it's friday yeeeoooooo!!!
  98. avatar Pete
    [quote:4374358eef="sarahlyle"]This has got way too personal, bitchy and spiteful for my liking, not a discussion but a slagging match and that's pretty low. I'm checking out![/quote:4374358eef]

    Only because you and those in support of your show did so!

    Reaction to any constructive critism should, in my opinion, always be along the lines of "thank you for your comments, we'll keep them in mind and work on it for the future", not "that's not fair, don't be insensitive, you're all out to get me".
  99. avatar tinpot anto
    D'ye know who's gay?

    Lionel Blair!

    Imagine....
  100. avatar thesneakybandit
    *phones the thread hi-jacking police* :-D
  101. avatar EPK
    [quote:700b38b636]we have no problem with constructive criticism[/quote:700b38b636]
    :smt005 :smt005 :smt005 :smt005 :smt005 :smt005 :smt005 :smt005

    It's been a long time since I read such an arrogant reply to criticism, and an even longer time since I've seen someone beat such a hasty retreat.
    I almost feel sympathy.
    Actually, that's a lie.
  102. avatar FiddlerOnTheRoof
    That was a great audience in for the last night, the most responsive and animated yet. Was that you doing the hoarse, high-pitched shreaking laugh all through the first act Speed Demon?! :-D Thought so...
    Despite the stress of it all, I'm just sad it's all over at long last! Will miss hanging out with the 'hippy trippy' cast, to borrow another expression from the show.
    A friend on the phone to me there just described Hippos as a cross between [i:f051b72a87]Hair[/i:f051b72a87] and [i:f051b72a87]Monty Python[/i:f051b72a87], which seems to me a good way of putting it.

    Thanks Sarah for keeping the cast in line xox
    And cheers Una Hickey for the costumes xox

    And cheers to the rest of the gang+ punters who made it down :smt023
    Thomas
  103. avatar thesneakybandit
    i agree i think sarah did a great job at directing y'all... thanks to geoff and camel for your positive comments on a rather mediocre if not crap performance of mine at common grounds and special priase for caoimhe's cheap jd yeeooooo... i blame you for the drunkenness :)
  104. avatar ebs93
    Ahhh haaaa haaaaa you crazy kids crack me up.